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    Posted: 25 Jan 06 at 4:54pm
yes and most kids don't want to do Maths or English either but adults
educate them because they need to know how to add up and spell.
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

I'm not saying that the N12 hasn't contributed to the sailing scene we now have, or that they are bad boats.  But the niche they appeal to must be very small (and shrinking).  You have to be very light, quite rich (or dedictaed) and willing to go slower than most. Also, most people entering the sport today will expect and demand (albeit misguidedly) an asymmetric.

Not to put a spanner in the works but why misguidedly ??

Isn't it all about choice?

Asymmetrics are popular for a few reasons, they are easier to sail (on the kite mainly )and they have appeal to most people

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Originally posted by Chris 249

"Beecher Moore (who played a major role in the creation of a hell of a lot of the mass dinghy market we have now) once called the 3 classic British development classes (MR, 14, N12) something like "the greatest waste of time and energy in sailing history" because in their first 30 years, they got a total of about 2,000 boats between them.

How do you work that out? I think you will find MR alone well exceeds that figure.

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yer and i think you will find the fast asymmetrics become unpoular as they are good fun for a year or two but then you grow up and wish you had 10-15 boats that are the same for good fleet racing so they will not last that long prpard to boats like the laser or N12

 

imnot saying they are all going to disaper tomerow but they will not last as long as the boats with good racing ie laser rs200 N12 ect

this is what i think

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Originally posted by Harry44981!

Originally posted by Adds

Even though the RS200 has taken most of the N12 fleet. I think the N12 are great boats especially in restricted waters. But the general sailor wants a little bit more fun for the crew downwind. which equals the RS200.

exactly why we sold our N12 and got an RS200!



I agree with jack sparrow on everything. N12's are a great boat, I have been sailing an old, wooden, overweight boat and have beaten the national champion in a race at that time, and I am not the best helm in the world!
They are also attractive (unlike RS200 and SMODS) and they are lovely and smooth and small enough to be practical, so there!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 06 at 5:37pm

Originally posted by Chew my RS

Also, most people entering the sport today will expect and demand (albeit misguidedly) an asymmetric.

Really? Asymmetrics aren't exactly new but count the number of asymmetric classes in the top 20 of http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classes/?s=44

 

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well i see 2

and most of the boats are slow with good racing

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the other thing to take into account is the asymmetrics will be limited to the clubs that are big enough to take them so the smaller clubs will have slower more traditional classes,and as there are a lot more smaller clubs than big ones they will always have slower boats.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 5420 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 06 at 5:59pm

yer

but tolanses will get biger so they will slowly let faster boats in untill they all move to a biger club

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Anybody whose is derogatory about the twelve has obviously never sailed one. My boat is thirty years old and, although it may not be able to win me our national championship, it is responsive and deceptively fast when sailed properly.it was also dirt cheap. As a first boat you cannot get more value for money than a second hand twelve as they are able to sail to (modified) handicap very well and give you the opportunity to beat up on lasers fireflys enterprises etc. in most conditions and even faster asymmetric boats under good helmsmanship. They are as already said particularly effective in restricted conditions, however, come to their own on a broad reach where, as most of your body retreats behind the boat, they feel incredible.

Another advantage is the absolutely awesome members association whom are all ready to provide advice, if not sometimes contradictory. i bought my boat the day before an open at my club and was able to have it in sailable condition before the first race with help from other crews.

And it is an overexagerrated myth that you have to weigh less than two cats to sial one. I am not saying you can weigh 30stone betwen you but different designs cater for up to 24stone crews whom are able to remain competitive.

and as for previous comments regarding our discussions on changes....we are a development class therefore aim to develop!!!

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