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    Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

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I agree with all you have said above,the transition in the UK dinghy scene over the last 10 years has been incredible.

Actually I think he was saying the opposite. Many of the 30 year-old classes he listed are still going strong.

If the transformation has been that huge, how come there are only two classes launched in the last 10 years in the top twenty of http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classes/?s=44

Or is there a growing gulf between what get sailed at club level and the people who go to nationals, and if so, why? 

Proportionally I'd expect that the newer classes are more active. Old classes have a huge install base and if the nationals is promoted many of the occasional sailors wheel their boats out for the nationals.

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I see from the Chifed page its 80kg and *coremat*. Yuk! That would make it see as if a low initial price tag is seen as a much higher priority than performance, but one wonders what longevity will be like.

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Also significant on the page was the likely price and competitors:

Should be at the January Boatshow …and available for delivery next season,
likely retail price £4895 inc vat, and launching trolley

- comparing to £5795 29er, £6250 420, and £4495 Vago (this is polyethylene).

This is really about market share, i.e. RS competing with Ovinington and Laser, rather than a gap in the market!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Iain C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 6:39pm

Looking at the pix it's pretty obvious that this is a direct competitor for the Vago.  People interested in buying this type of boat will not be worried about hull material...in fact just give them the relevant sales spin depending on which product you are selling.  I would also say that it's up against the Xenon, which, as the Topper demo chap pointed out to me the other day, does have trapeze points on the mast although no wires as yet.

Kitbags at dawn gentlemen!  May the best boat win, and that could be anyone's guess.  When the two competing keelboats (K6 and SB3) came out I much, much preferred the look of the K6, but look what happened!

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'The Buzz is hardly the most modern hull shape, the rig is nothing special, and, most to the point, RS don't sell it!'    

 I agree completely with the last point. However the supposed design criteria is:  'Yardstick of around 1000, - stable enough for the "August sailors", and buoyant enough for Dad to enjoy...'  

I don't understand what a more modern hull shape would bring, more stability than a Buzz? it can't be much faster since the yardstick is to be around 1000? And excluding building materials and having been designed recently, what exactly defines a more 'modern' hull shape?

Rig wise it doesn't sound like RS are intending to use a carbon mast..... I'd like to think that RS will make use of recent design developments (whatever they are)to design a significantly better boat which as argued earlier will allow british sailing to further develop. Rather than build a boat that is similar to many and further saturate market, and use the RS brand name as a selling point.

Incidentally I used to have a Buzz, have done a couple of seasons in an 800 and have a 600. As I probably appear to be defending the Buzz a little too much! I'm sure the V3000 fits a similar sort of criteria.

 

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Originally posted by Iain C

 When the two competing keelboats (K6 and SB3) came out I much, much preferred the look of the K6, but look what happened!

Very different boats really. K6 is less than half the weight of the SB3 and roughly two-thirds the sail area. Put them in the middle of the Solent and they look pretty tiny. The SB3 strikes me as a better proposition for Solent racing.

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I personaly think it looks terrible!

Im hoping this is all a big hoax or publicity stunt because I see the RS image crumbling by the minute...
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It is pretty awful isn't it

Looks slow too



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Post Options Post Options   Quote carshalton fc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 7:44pm
in fact the vago looks better!!  that just looks like a pimped up feva!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CurlyBen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 7:50pm
Not my thing... Anyone reckon the fluorescent patches are trying to imitate the 49er?
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