dart question (or daft question?)

   hi cully ben, about 30 sec to get it down, but rolling it, so its nicely out the way and dosen't blow away a lot longer. It's no problem to come in on the jib when you got the room to come in and thats the right way to do it. But i`v got 6/7m of room with people swimming (and it`s deep) then about 20m or so of tree`s over hanging then a sandy /shingle gap again and so on.I have ended up in the tree`s more time`s then i`m going to say  
Some that belong to the club take the jib down out to see and come in on the jib but it very slippery under the water line and very green that ends up all over you.You cant lift the boat up to get the traler under no grip and to get the boat out well, you end up on your bum, so thay sail strat up it only 5/6m and step off but when windy it can be more like 20m but then thay have about 2/3 m then it`s over the top traler under at that point and down the hill. hope that hels to answer the ?    
mouse

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mickymouse Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 15 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote mickymouse Report Post Quote Reply Topic: dart question (or daft question?) Posted: 18 Aug 05 at 4:33pm
	hi cully ben, about 30 sec to get it down, but rolling it, so its nicely out the way and dosen't blow away a lot longer. It's no problem to come in on the jib when you got the room to come in and thats the right way to do it. But i`v got 6/7m of room with people swimming (and it`s deep) then about 20m or so of tree`s over hanging then a sandy /shingle gap again and so on.I have ended up in the tree`s more time`s then i`m going to say Some that belong to the club take the jib down out to see and come in on the jib but it very slippery under the water line and very green that ends up all over you.You cant lift the boat up to get the traler under no grip and to get the boat out well, you end up on your bum, so thay sail strat up it only 5/6m and step off but when windy it can be more like 20m but then thay have about 2/3 m then it`s over the top traler under at that point and down the hill. hope that hels to answer the ? mouse

mickymouse Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 15 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote mickymouse Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 05 at 4:37pm
	Sorry it`Curly ben, and see in my letter is german i ment lake. Mickymouse

CurlyBen Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 17 Aug 05 Location: Southampton Online Status: Offline Posts: 539	Post Options Post Reply Quote CurlyBen Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 05 at 5:19pm
	I know it's the right way, I'm an instructor Been teaching people that for the last month. Is it not a crewed boat? On the Dart I'd hold it head to wind while the crew dropped the main, then let the crew keep hold of it and start sorting it out while i took the jib sheet and helmed the boat in. I'm not really sure what to suggest without seeing where you're sailing, especially as I've only helmed a cat 3 times! Do you mean you have to sail the cat up the slipway? That really doesn't sound too good for the hulls, maybe it'd be better to get non-slip on the slipway!

mickymouse Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 15 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote mickymouse Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 05 at 6:08pm
	Andy when the time comes get yourself a assym..for the K2 its more fun cruising about in 2/3wind and the girls will do more than wave thay will whant to play with your new toy .saw assym for the 1st time in your web.The other word i reed in a paper from england was YOU BITCH tryed it on my girlfrind she understourd i was going to get it any way been on the pc to long. ISAF, to come a international boat i thought it was 8 nations without looking ,any of you guys know For sure Andreas (president of ITCA) will ask for a moment hash at the worlds for Simon,1st time i was having a beer with him and crew Dave was in sarigerne 2003 your not wrong he was a nice guy, he was a airline pilot i think for him it would have been safer in the air on this day.Im sure Chapman Sands can pull this retired sailor out of the chair it must be for Simon i know the Topcat reps will do what thay can from this end but i can understand the difficulty. Who is he and how old ?.

mickymouse Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 15 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote mickymouse Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 05 at 8:29pm
	Curly bBen you must know the answer to Andy`s and my problem then about ISAF. Most of the time I sail the north end of Ammersee South Germany, I`m not at the club there. So don`t use there slip but a cleen under the water line would help them to make the right recovery. But who am I to tell them, there been doing it for year`s with the Topcat`s. But there do have the keel pertictors on. Most of the time i sail main and jib on the K2 single handed when the wind is to much, I roller reef the jib in.You can race the topcat K2 without jib single handed have a look at www.cs-sc.org.uk on the Topcat banner Gallery. Ihave to come in that way I`ve got into probs doing it the right way. With the main2m up the mast the rest on the trap. When I don`t hit that gap, then I`m in the trees, the water is deep with an onshore wind, then I can`t get the cat out of the trees, very ...

CurlyBen Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 17 Aug 05 Location: Southampton Online Status: Offline Posts: 539	Post Options Post Reply Quote CurlyBen Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 12:01am
	Em yeah.. i managed to drift a 420 into trees a few weeks back.. it was upside down and the rescue boat was a little busy.. anyway.. Sounds like quite a tricky situation you're sailing in there. I can't think of anything to suggest as I'm no cat expert, and I don't know the area you're sailing on. Where I was sailing cats it's very shallow at the moment - it's a loch (lake in Scotland) which has a hydroelectric dam at the end and they were apparently doing some work on it and dropped the water level right down. Gave us problems - we couldn't put the powerboats on the pontoon without risking the props!

mickymouse Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 15 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote mickymouse Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 7:48am
	gozzza,your ? Idont think the Topcat main beem is any higher than the Dart 18 if you take a messament from the ground to the top of the main beem. But the Volume is more so therefor it floats higher out of the water. We have what we call a Rente line to help us back on board (old boys line of English) it look`s like a Bungee line with two clip`s one each end, one clip's around the bow chain plate and one round the mast step. I hate to say it iv got one but age and the lack of power comes to us all in the end and im 100k, but it much easyer to get back on the trap.. ,you just put your foot or knee on it and stand up.When your on your own, then for me it'a must. hmmm can we ask what the mishap was. Mouse

Spitfire 100 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 08 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spitfire 100 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Aug 05 at 10:33pm
	Re spitfire construction. I believe the spitfire is made from cormat which is fireglass layers with a honeycomb inner layer. Dart 16's on the other hand are made from rotomolded plastic. They both have pros and cons, but you are more likely to be able to fix or find someone to fix a fibre glass boat than a plastic one. The spitfire is a similar performance to a f18 so it does require another level of skill to the dart 16. Most manufactures can provide a test sail, so give them a try and see which you like.