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My team - West Bromwich Albion Laser 2000 Looks good, holds promise, you always have faith that it will be good, but deep deep down you just know it is not, shall never be and will always end up breaking your heart |
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it is one of Jims storys he has hundreds of them and belive me I have herd most of them twice. It comes from a olympic coaches seminar that he was at and the speaker told all the coaches that was the order. It is all to do with the variables and sailing is in 1st because it is never same. the track is not flat and is allways changing. the wind changes you have all the rig stuff and other competitors to get in the way. Back to boats and football My club Sunderland = RS500 did not look good from the start of the season and the results prove it.
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It wasn't Jim who compiled the rankings though, I think it was either the head of the Olympics comittee or some major sporting governing body.
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Yes ive heard about Jim Saltonstall saying that and it was to do with sailing having the most variables of any sport! |
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I completely agree with you Dennis that the Volvo Ocean Race would be
way more challenging than a 3-week cycle tour but not for the reason of
significant rest periods. I reckon when you do a BIG sailing event over
about a week your mind gets so involved in thinking about sailing that
you cant actually sleep at all in the nights because your mind is
constantly saying to you: who's gonna steer the boat if you're
sleeping, you're gonna crash, you've got to race!!!!!. Imagine
that over a three-week tour when you are cycling all day, killing your
body with exertion, and constantly thinking about the race.
From talking to some people who have done BIG cycle races and from my
own experience, those guys doing the Tour de France hardly get any
sleep at all!!! From reading Lance Armstrong's autobiography he
says that the only comfort lying awake in bed at night is that you know
everybody else is in exactly the same position.
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I reckon that taking part in the Volvo Ocean Race would be immensely more challenging than a 3 week cycling trial, at least with the cycling the competitors get some significant rest compared to the guys out on the VO70s. The mental strains upon the sailors are much higher, lack of sleep with the constant thought in the back of their mind that one significant mistake or gear failure would mean the possible loss of their lifes. I'm not saying that cycling is not a highly challenging sport but when you compare the top levels of each sport, sailing, in my opinion is definately more challenging as there are a lot more variables which are outside your own control. If you injure yourself on a bike, you can pull over to the side of the road and pull out of the race, the Southern Ocean doesn't give you that option. |
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no you're not wrong i'm not part of a professional team. And i have to do all those jobs....no nice domestiques help me up a hill (no not a mountain they dont have them in England) so i have to get leadouts from other riders who dont particularly want to give me a leadout making it a lot harder to actually get one. And no....no pro climbers so that adds the aspect of whether i should attack on the flats to get a good lead becuase im a weak climber, or whether im going to try and stick with someone i know can help me up the hill...etc. I dont do multi-stage 30-day races like the tour de france and giro d'italia but i do race in stages over about 3 days and that is enough to see how hard it is to know what to do and when on the track. Im only speaking here from my level in both sports and i dont doubt that when you get to the dizzy heights of professional cycling it all gets a lot more difficult and much more tactical BUT so does every sport - including sailing - but at the standards im at now in both sports i can say that i find sailing more strategically and tactically orientated. |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, my guess is that you may have done a few one day, 80 mile races, not a three week tour with mountain stages, flat stages, time trials, team time trials etc., do you go for stage wins, general classification, points jersey, or king of the mountains? As part of a team with climbers, sprinters, domestiques, time trial specialists, leadout men & a team leader, then it gets a whole lot more tactical! |
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Currents apply quite a bit though not tides as its imposible to race anywhere with regular waves. Its based much more around the kind of racing being talked about earlier with road cyclists: stick with this wash? make a dive for the next group? get free water so you can get out and sprint like  around the next lock? are they about to sprint?I dont think its as tactical as sailing but similar sports are definantly underated in the amount of tactics involved. |
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From what I imagine with kayaking, tactical knowledge focuses mainly upon tidal flow and currents. That is one part of sailing also but wind strategy is another factor which you have to consider more with sailing. |
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