How about:

Pompey/RS300- looked down and out, still might not survive, but looking like a class act now.

Bolton/Laser 5000- Up there with the best, but frankly a bit thuggy.

Arsenal/any 9er- Real class, but sometimes fall over too easily; a bit fragile!

Middlesbro'/Osprey- thought they were going to be great, looking a bit sick now, but still might come good....

Anyone want to join in? I'm off to hide

Tell me about it !!

505/Nottingham Forest both got good pedigree but not showing it !!

Sorry any 505 sailors

Cherub- Chelsea, can buy success.

Manchester United- I14/ 49er- quick, eveyone's favourite.

Manchester City- 59er- just no way near as good as the 49er

Originally posted by timnoyce Originally posted by Harry44981! Cherub- Chelsea, can buy success. I think that you mean I14 - can buy success... look how much a 14 t-foil costs and then look at how much a cherub t-foil costs!!

OK, bad example.

I'm trying to knock Chelsea, not Cherubs.

to be honist u dont do that many sports cos windsurfing counts as water sports and how the hell can u call motorcross and car racing a sport???? 

Oh no! I've started an argument! The plan was for a "men behaving badly" what order would you do the Nolan sisters type discussion, not a battle of the sexes!!!

Anyway, I think Laser/Newcastle, 'cos everyones supported them at some stage, but it's hard to see the appeal nowadays or how about Oppie/Man U- you like them, then you grow older...

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Pete, Tim, Stefan and Luke..... have you got something to say?

Officially, motorsport is a sport because in the rankings for most challenging sports it goes:

1)Sailing

2)F1 Racing

3)Equestrian

I'm not too sure who compiled the rankings but it has been publishised and Jim Saltonstall quotes thems. I think what classifies as challenging includes all aspects of a sport. Sailing probably gets 1st because its 1) dangerous 2) very mentally challenging 3) there are so many variables to consider 4) the conditions of the sport are contantly changing 5) it is physically challenging.

Remember, the rankings were probably made considering the highest levels of each sport.

I'd say:

1) Sailing

2) Long distance cycling

3) Marathon running

4) Tennis

5) Cross-country skiing

6) Swimming

oi i live in croydon!!!  but u dont see car racing in the olimpics!!

I would say-

1) Pro cycling (eg Tour de France, 7hrs in the saddle most days, in all weathers, for 3 weeks!!!)

2) Ironman Triathlon

3) Boxing ( I wouldn't want to do it!)

4) Marathon running

5)Formula 1

Football doesn't make the list even, its a game not a sport.

I would agree with that list if it was headed most physically enduring but when ranking sports as most changelling, I reckon whoever compiled the list would have considered physical endurance as one aspect to consider in the overall stakes.

Back on topic..........

Football teams

I-14- definately Chelsea due to the changing nature of the boat, its successfulness and the cheque-book nature of the class (think that's been covered before)

Laser 5000- Blackburn Rovers, can mix it with the best, play rough, been up and down over the years, had major success in the early 90s and seriously underated.

49er- Glasgow Rangers, constantly successful and will always be successful in the future and as the chants go at Ibrox (Rangers stadium), "Simply the Best"

505- Celtic football club, great history and also very succesful......... (and I know it will annoy lozza when he reads this post )

If you think it's always the fittest/strongest competitors that win cycling races or boxing matches etc. then look again.  They're both highly tactical & require great organisation, team work, planning, etc to suceed.  I would say that road cycling is easily as tactical if not more so than sailing.

From what I imagine with kayaking, tactical knowledge focuses mainly upon tidal flow and currents. That is one part of sailing also but wind strategy is another factor which you have to consider more with sailing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, my guess is that you may have done a few one day, 80 mile races, not a three week tour with mountain stages, flat stages, time trials, team time trials etc., do you go for stage wins, general classification, points jersey, or king of the mountains?  As part of a team with climbers, sprinters, domestiques, time trial specialists, leadout men & a team leader, then it gets a whole lot more tactical!

I reckon that taking part in the Volvo Ocean Race would be immensely more challenging than a 3 week cycling trial, at least with the cycling the competitors get some significant rest compared to the guys out on the VO70s. The mental strains upon the sailors are much higher, lack of sleep with the constant thought in the back of their mind that one significant mistake or gear failure would mean the possible loss of their lifes. I'm not saying that cycling is not a highly challenging sport but when you compare the top levels of each sport, sailing, in my opinion is definately more challenging as there are a lot more variables which are outside your own control. If you injure yourself on a bike, you can pull over to the side of the road and pull out of the race, the Southern Ocean doesn't give you that option.

it is one of Jims storys he has hundreds of them and belive me I have herd most of them twice.

It comes from a olympic coaches seminar that he was at and the speaker told all the coaches that was the order.

It is all to do with the variables and sailing is in 1st because it is never same. the track is not flat and is allways changing. the wind changes you have all the rig stuff and other competitors to get in the way.

Back to boats and football

My club Sunderland = RS500 did not look good from the start of the season and the results prove it.

My team - West Bromwich Albion

Laser 2000

Looks good, holds promise, you always have faith that it will be good, but deep deep down you just know it is not, shall never be and will always end up breaking your heart