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    Posted: 11 Dec 21 at 7:25am
Originally posted by Peter Barton

At an RS Aero event, whether Class or PY racing, a RO only needs to note the sail number and not the rig size, as there will not be duplicated numbers.

Second hand sails?

"Can I borrow your spare 5 rig, its a bit windy for me/9 rig its a bit light for me and I had a big breakfast?"

The former is more likely, and it *will* happen! In defiance of SIs or not.


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At 'proper' class events they are usually pretty strict about duplicate numbers, maybe club racing it would happen but I doubt it would happen at my home club.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by Peter Barton

At an RS Aero event, whether Class or PY racing, a RO only needs to note the sail number and not the rig size, as there will not be duplicated numbers.

Second hand sails?

"Can I borrow your spare 5 rig, its a bit windy for me/9 rig its a bit light for me and I had a big breakfast?"

The former is more likely, and it *will* happen! In defiance of SIs or not.

The RRS and Class Rules are clear on the need for a unique sail number and in the RS Aero's case, to match the hull. Second hand sails are the same issue for any class, subject to their Class Rules. Sailors need to conform to the rules. If they break them and race management don't enforce the rules then, in this scenario, they may expect identification confusion. 

At any lower key racing it becomes less likely that race management will enforce sail number rules at the risk of putting off participation. That is why SIs often have a leniency of allowing boats to use different sail numbers after requesting and receiving RO's permission. The RO could then at least insist on non duplication or accept duplication in different rig sizes, if they choose.

RS Aero numbers are formed from digital 8s so it is very easy, when permitted, to customise a number temporarily by adding or removing a segment to form a new number that is not already being used at the event/race. In my experience in RS Aeros this is very rare in practice however, as most RS Aero owners already own the rigs they are likely to want to use.

For major RS Aero championships I encourage the use of a NoR/SI where borrowed equipment (only) is allowed a sail number that does not match the hull. That helps the ease of lending and borrowing equipment to promote participation,  avoiding the effort and non environmental wastage of the need to fully change a number for an event and change it back afterwards. 


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.. while black spinnaker repair tape continues to be available on the market, this is a non topic IMO.

I struggle to believe a regatta held anywhere in the dinghy sailing world would struggle to come up with the materials or common-sense to enable one competitor to create a unique number of their sail to fit within SI's when needed.  

I've seen boats practically rebuilt overnight at championships for goodness sakes, changing a number on a sail is pretty small beer.
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We've turned up at a class event with our correct boat and sail number only to find that someone else had the same sail number and had registered already. The organisers wanted us to change our number but I held my ground and refused since we conformed to the rules. Eventually the other boat sailed with a taped X after the number. 
I believe they had borrowed the boat from a previous owner for the nationals and supplied their own sails.
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Answering iGRFs original post probably yes, Melges 15 boat of the year and an inflatable cat dinghy of the year- a revamped very old design in the cats case. 
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