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"What I really need to do is sail alongside somebody good on the Farr to get some perspective that would expose all my flaws, which would then give me peace of mind, that it is me at fault, but right now, it's the boat like always    "

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WTF did grf really admit the possibility that he could have flaws lol

This really does prove the world has gone mad  LOL LOL LOL Wink
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Originally posted by Noah

"What I really need to do is sail alongside somebody good on the Farr to get some perspective that would expose all my flaws, which would then give me peace of mind, that it is me at fault, but right now, it's the boat like always    "

Nail, Head, Hit.

Would it not be cheaper to get some coaching rather than wasting all this money messing with the equipment?
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Originally posted by L123456


Originally posted by Noah

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Would it not be cheaper to get some coaching rather than wasting all this money messing with the equipment?


It's been my experience that like teachers, if you can't do it, coach it.

The only folk to learn from are other good sailors, to be close enough to learn from them you need to be fast enough to stay with them. Easy in light weather, not so when the breeze is up.

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That'll be a surprise to the Olympians and world champions who have become coaches!

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Originally posted by Noah

"What I really need to do is sail alongside somebody good on the Farr to get some perspective that would expose all my flaws, which would then give me peace of mind, that it is me at fault, but right now, it's the boat like always    "

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This is why I think you’d best served getting back in a Solo.  Yes, yes I know they’re an old mans boat... but get on the circuit and you’ll be surprised in more ways than one.  You will learn so much, both through osmosis and through bar chat, about the very subtle differences that mean the difference between finishing first or last in 20 boats. 

In terms of trapezing a Blaze, the boom is quite low to make wire to wire tacking easy, and maybe the bigger Halo rig would be better? Also, I think Blazes run low rig tension usually - I’m not entirely sure what effect trapezing would have.  
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I get that, I'm picking up a fair bit in the Solution now there are four down the lake sailed by more experienced boat handlers than I, two of whom are quite young and when it's windy you get to see their auto responses, built in from sailing since they were kids, not something I'm likely to ever fully replicate at this late stage in lifes game, but useful nonetheless to attempt to emulate and try to beat, which doesn't happen in a breeze, even if I do get ahead best I've lasted is about half an hour before they reel me in.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by L123456


Originally posted by Noah

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Would it not be cheaper to get some coaching rather than wasting all this money messing with the equipment?


It's been my experience that like teachers, if you can't do it, coach it.

The only folk to learn from are other good sailors, to be close enough to learn from them you need to be fast enough to stay with them. Easy in light weather, not so when the breeze is up.

Coaching and doing are very different skills; although many experts do move into coaching.

I should have know you would only disparage coaches when I suggested it.
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Originally posted by iGRF

 

I'm not that bothered by the Yardstick as much as I love the occasional wind up, years of racing boards with no handicap means it's over the water honours I like to chase and there is a big disparity between my ability to get the Farr around the course and just about all the other boats racing, I don't even mind coming DFL if I've enjoyed it...

What I really need to do is sail alongside somebody good on the Farr to get some perspective that would expose all my flaws, which would then give me peace of mind, that it is me at fault, but right now, it's the boat like always

So you like (love?) the 3.7 when it's windy now it's enabled you to learn the skill set, but want that feeling when it's light to mid range (sign of a great boat, you want more of it). And you are not sure about how much you are effecting / or the rig is set up, is effecting performance.

So three things that need looking at.

1. Performance.
Fairly simple solution to my mind - Skiffs have always had different sized rigs for exactly the same reasons. Work with a 'Decent' sail maker to develop a bigger main. Report back to the class. Maybe it will be adopted, if not globally then maybe the UK. (just think of it like a windsurfer - you have loads of rigs for those don't you). How long is and what profile is your board?

2. Set Up
Spend a bit more time chatting the NZ guys about your rig from a technical point of view (or dare I say take your boat to a rigger / your mast builder / P&B or similar to tune your boat, and get some tuning tips). i.e get behind the class, take up a role. Drive the class forward, with your sensible hat on. I'm keeping the wheels moving in the UK but it needs owners to step up.

3. Training
Tricky at the moment. See 2. But if owners get behind the class and arrange to get together (Graham - who sailed the Great Lakes GP was very keen if you remember for you to join him). You can collectively improve and or split the cost of a RYA Coach.

Also you have a lot of options with the Farr 3.7 that are inside the rules set i.e, T Foils, Asymmetric Spinnakers, Very light hull option (I appreciate that is one hell of a commitment).

To me it sound like you kinda know you have the right boat but the other bits of the puzzle aren't there. And unfortunately that's only going to happen when the owners put the time in.



 


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by iGRF

 

I'm not that bothered by the Yardstick as much as I love the occasional wind up, years of racing boards with no handicap means it's over the water honours I like to chase and there is a big disparity between my ability to get the Farr around the course and just about all the other boats racing, I don't even mind coming DFL if I've enjoyed it...

What I really need to do is sail alongside somebody good on the Farr to get some perspective that would expose all my flaws, which would then give me peace of mind, that it is me at fault, but right now, it's the boat like always

So you like (love?) the 3.7 when it's windy now it's enabled you to learn the skill set, but want that feeling when it's light to mid range (sign of a great boat, you want more of it). And you are not sure about how much you are effecting / or the rig is set up, is effecting performance.

So three things that need looking at.

1. Performance.
Fairly simple solution to my mind - Skiffs have always had different sized rigs for exactly the same reasons. Work with a 'Decent' sail maker to develop a bigger main. Report back to the class. Maybe it will be adopted, if not globally then maybe the UK. (just think of it like a windsurfer - you have loads of rigs for those don't you). How long is and what profile is your board?

2. Set Up
Spend a bit more time chatting the NZ guys about your rig from a technical point of view (or dare I say take your boat to a rigger / your mast builder / P&B or similar to tune your boat, and get some tuning tips). i.e get behind the class, take up a role. Drive the class forward, with your sensible hat on. I'm keeping the wheels moving in the UK but it needs owners to step up.

3. Training
Tricky at the moment. See 2. But if owners get behind the class and arrange to get together (Graham - who sailed the Great Lakes GP was very keen if you remember for you to join him). You can collectively improve and or split the cost of a RYA Coach.

Also you have a lot of options with the Farr 3.7 that are inside the rules set i.e, T Foils, Asymmetric Spinnakers, Very light hull option (I appreciate that is one hell of a commitment).

To me it sound like you kinda know you have the right boat but the other bits of the puzzle aren't there. And unfortunately that's only going to happen when the owners put the time in.

Well said.
And to put it another way, why buy yet another boat and try to b**tardise it when you could spend the effort (and probably less cash) legitimately developing the Farr. With greater chance of achieving the goal too, particularly given others have walked the same path, and looking at some of the videos in this thread, succeeded.
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