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    Posted: 17 Jan 17 at 8:28am
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Originally posted by Chris 249

One thing that strikes me is that the cycling manufacturers build kit to unofficial standards that makes everything much easier and more fun in many ways - if you replace a derailleur it just goes into a threaded hole the same size as the old one

You must be kidding; so does your 11 speed Shimano work with Campagnolo 9 speed shifters ... or 10 speed SRAM?

Bikes are riddled with incompatibility ... don't even get me started on BB90, BB30, BBright when we had perfectly good English threaded BBs for years ...

Bikes are a nightmare and as time goes on there become more and more difficult for the hole mechanic ... bikes are going the way of cars ...


I'll piggy back on top of this... tossing up a decision to buy parts for a current bike, or go for a brand new bike altogether. Nothing is compatible - only (of course) parts made by the same manufacturer for the same brand of bike, which I'm trying to stray away from. It's turning into a bit of a Theseus' ship paradox, so I might as well buy a new bike.

I'm fairly green in the sailing world, is it much the same?

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ing; so does your 11 speed Shimano work with Campagnolo 9 speed shifters ... or 10 speed SRAM?

I'll piggy back on top of this... tossing up a decision to buy parts for a current bike, or go for a brand new bike altogether. Nothing is compatible - only (of course) parts made by the same manufacturer for the same brand of bike, which I'm trying to stray away from. It's turning into a bit of a Theseus' ship paradox, so I might as well buy a new bike.

I'm fairly green in the sailing world, is it much the same?


The likely major upgrade for a boat is new sails.
Sails are class specific.
Some classes you have choice of various sailmakers.
Sometimes there is a choice of masts too, which brings compatibility issues.

A lot of people upgrading just buy a newer example of their class.

Most of the things people are moaning about are repairs or parts that wear out.
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I'd say no. I have a fair bit of experienced fettling bikes boats and widsurfers, and always on a tight budget. Some components are boat/class specific (to a greater or lesser extent, e.g. an Enterprise mast won't fit a Merlin Rocket and sails are always class specific) but a ratchet block will work in several different roles (main and kite sheets on my Spice for example) and may well be the same component used as a Topper mainsheet block. The problems can arise when you get to Single Manufacturer One Designs (SMODs) RS boats being a prime example and the Laser being the ultimate. However, even there there is a degree of flexibility (well perhaps not the Laser) to change blocks and fittings but you can't use a different sailmaker or mast if you want to race. It is often cheaper to buy a complete bike especially if you can live with last year's model, having recently bought a new bike for my son at less than half RRP I have first hand experience. This doesn't really happen with boats though.

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I'd say no. I have a fair bit of experienced fettling bikes boats and widsurfers, and always on a tight budget. Some components are boat/class specific (to a greater or lesser extent, e.g. an Enterprise mast won't fit a Merlin Rocket and sails are always class specific) but a ratchet block will work in several different roles (main and kite sheets on my Spice for example) and may well be the same component used as a Topper mainsheet block. The problems can arise when you get to Single Manufacturer One Designs (SMODs) RS boats being a prime example and the Laser being the ultimate. However, even there there is a degree of flexibility (well perhaps not the Laser) to change blocks and fittings but you can't use a different sailmaker or mast if you want to race. It is often cheaper to buy a complete bike especially if you can live with last year's model, having recently bought a new bike for my son at less than half RRP I have first hand experience. This doesn't really happen with boats though.


 Laser has more freedom now  pre XD other than  last mainsheet  block and  mainsheet cleat(s) if fitted ) it was all one or two  choices  and the  two choices were  slightly different but very similar products ( e.g.  aluminium or plastic clamcleats) ... in the XD era  there;s  far more choice  but it;s still somehwat restricted 
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