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    Posted: 18 Jan 16 at 5:37pm
Pretty much what I'm saying. We all get heated up about the latest trick n bimble or the latest hull shape but really I wonder if it's 90% emperors new clothes. So much of it is confidence, concentration and motivation and if thinking we have the best tool for the job gives us that we will naturally do better.

A couple of years ago I fitted an easily adjustable raking rig. Do I use settings much different to the ones I picked for the day on my old static setup? Probably not but I do tweak it a little on the water so I feel happy I've got the best setup I can have and consequently never spend the session muttering about being underpowered or overpowered. We are definitely going better, is it the boat or my head that is tuned better?
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Originally posted by jeffers

The experience at Hunts is that those who have gone from old Solos to the current generation of FRP/foam sandwich boats have made a marked step forward in performance. How much of this is down to having a newer stiffer boat with the correct rig for them and how much of it is down to the old boat being floppy, worn sail and wrong mast is debateable.

I am expecting the Solo PY to get a bit faster this year though..... 

I wonder if Jim has any data for Laser sailors who trade in their clapped out old boat for a new one with a decent rag?  How much does new boat fever and a crisp white sail improve performance?

My personal experience was that it made very little difference over the 5 Lasers I have owned.

The best 'feeling' boat I had was 150600. it certainly felt stiffer and more responsive than even the brand new one I had.

The most surprising was 121821 which regularly popped up at the front of the fleet at our laser open giving the 200,000+ numbered boats a surprise.

What made more difference for me though was having a decent sail on the (straight) mast, a low tiller and well set up controls.
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I did once upgrade from a 30 year old Laser that had been beach launched for years to a good one year old one. The difference was fairly marked, as the new boat would plane much more easily. The bottom of the old boat was soft from years of being bashed on the shingle and moving to one that was stiff was a real pleasure, and eye opener. That's a pretty extreme example though!
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Originally posted by iGRF

So here's one to ponder over. There's this old wooden solo down the lake not particularly light, but when the wind becomes spectral, it is astonishingly quick, it just ghosts along and no matter how bad a start, not that the helm isn't half decent, but he just chomps his way through the fleet to the front often winning over the water against boats with much faster handicap.

Now I haven't managed to get a really good look under the bonnet so to speak, but come on you 'One Designs are everything', what's going on here?

If I were to guess I'd speculate that the wooden bottom got warped at birth in some convex way that produced a more rounded underwater shape that gives an optimum wetted surface when not ploughing through the water fast, but it's not obvious to the cursory glance.

And yes he bloody beat me again yesterday..

He is just a better helm ... get over it ...
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by iGRF

So here's one to ponder over. There's this old wooden solo down the lake not particularly light, but when the wind becomes spectral, it is astonishingly quick, it just ghosts along and no matter how bad a start, not that the helm isn't half decent, but he just chomps his way through the fleet to the front often winning over the water against boats with much faster handicap.

Now I haven't managed to get a really good look under the bonnet so to speak, but come on you 'One Designs are everything', what's going on here?

If I were to guess I'd speculate that the wooden bottom got warped at birth in some convex way that produced a more rounded underwater shape that gives an optimum wetted surface when not ploughing through the water fast, but it's not obvious to the cursory glance.

And yes he bloody beat me again yesterday..

He is just a better helm ... get over it ...

But he isn't! Don't you know Grumpf taught Ben everything he knows......
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