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    Posted: 23 Jun 13 at 8:17am
If you miss them normally use the door for a second chance....
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Riding a m/cycle round the outskirts of London as I do the thing that gets me about so many cyclists is their utter lack of situational awareness. They're often even worse than pizza delivery kids on mopeds.

An example that really wound me up was some cyclist tailgating me as I went down the oustide of a traffic queue. Coming the other way was a couple of cyclists and a car attempting to go past them, so I stopped and merged into the queue so the oncoming car wouldn't feel pushed towards the cyclists alongside him. The cyclist behind me overtakes and the car coming the other way nearly squashes his fellow cyclists...

Something I used to do in my days of rider training was say "OK, hands up who thinks you should bear in mind the possibility of someone coming the wrong way down a one way street towards you?" and no hands would go up. Followed by "OK, hands up who's seen someone going the wrong way down a one way street?" at which point nearly every hand would go up (its a long time since I've seen this happen so I guess road marking and layout must have improved considerably over the years).

Anyway, the point was made. Expect the unexpected and unlikely and nearly impossible, because you spend so much time on the road that its going to happen sooner or later. From what I can see most multi car traffic accidents are caused by *both* parties doing something they've got away with hundreds of times before, but when two not-quite-careful-enoough actions meet you get the accident. And of course its why both parties think they're innocent, its always if s/he hadn't done that there wouldn't have been an accident...
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I completely agree you - the decisions that some make, given that they should have a heightened awareness is quite mind boggling.  What I don't agree with is highlighting cyclists as the problem though - There is a significant majority of car drivers who don't have the required situational awareness (or just don't care, because there's no danger of them hurting themselves by their actions).  The number of times I've had another cyclist cause me to have a near miss in 5 years of riding I could count on one hand.  On the flip side, there's at least 1 incident every day where a car does something completely inexplicable which has the potential to cause me serious injury.  I normally ride under the assumption that that is what every single car is going to do,  which is why I'm still here typing this post.  I've had about 5 experiences where there was absolutely nothing I could do and I was missed/dodged death by millimeters (e.g. car turns left from lane 2, car stops at give way line makes eye contact then pulls out anyway etc).  

Some cyclists might contribute to their own downfall, but IMO they're a 1% contributor to a very large problem.
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Well if there's one thing I did notice it was the motorcyclists seemed a lot more placid than 10 or so years ago.  A sign of the times maybe.... core bikers are still on motorbikes, they were probably the road aware ones anyway, but city bonuses for dicks-with-a-deathwish only stretch to a Wilier or Bianchi these days, so Kawasaki crotch rockets are out.
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I realise that two abreast is controversial, but yesterday whilst on a ride I was cycling with another guy when we were hooted at for doing so.
 
Thing is, we'd been going single file when we were aware of vehicles approaching from behind. This was on a quiet two lane single carriageway- the beeping vehicle was travelling in the opposite direction, and was not impeded in the slightest. Mind boggles. Just rude.
 
I did however feel a pang of sympathy on another stretch for drivers. I was on an organised ride with about 200 or so riders (well strung out by this stage), and for about five miles there was a full bore, larger, sportive going in the opposite direction. There were though plenty of signs, and using the nearby A10 would have added a mere couple of miles or so to their journey- is anything ever that urgent on a Sunday morning?


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