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    Posted: 07 Jan 13 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by sargesail

 And equally I think that if half the L's with contact go against the leeward boat in Team racing then that illustrates that in 50% of cases 16.1 was not a factor....which means that (since the vast majority of luffs don't end with contact or a protest call), that in the vast majority of luff situations 16.1 is not a factor.

Just plucking rough numbers out of my head but I'd say that at the level I see (UK uni circuit) 50% of luffs result in contact/protests (especially on starts or down the run). That means that in TR 25% of all luffs have a 16.1 element, I'd say that's pretty large!

As a point of interest when I first started TR from fleet racing I used to always assume the windward boat was wrong in a luff with contact unless it was very very obviously otherwise. Nowadays though I find I am almost watching the leeward boat more than the windward (not quite but close).
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So 75% have no 16.1....that's a hefty majority!  I'm not altogether surprised to see that the % of luffs with contact is higher in Uni Team Racing than in the service and other stuff I do....probably also builds a picture of why the 16.1 figure is also high....

I find that I get most calls when I luff, stop, make mu point anout keeping clear, and then either luff again, or go straight to red.
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Originally posted by sargesail

I find that I get most calls when I luff, stop, make mu point anout keeping clear, and then either luff again, or go straight to red.

That's the way to do it, as a RoW boat pushing a situation to contact is always risky. If there is no contact the worst it'll be for you is green flagged. We have such a hard time trying to get this across to new team racers.
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I know when we were MR that we were taught to luff until contact that and many in the IMRC still do, and it then goes down to speed of luff, ie did they give enough time for W to respond. For some reason MR umpires do like to hear the sound of grinding FRP  LOL
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I think there is quite a big movement to stamp that out at the moment, obviously its a nightmare for race organisers with all the damage it causes. In the last couple of events I've done we have been warned off making contact to prove a point specifically in the umpires briefings. Although it's obviously still prevalent at the highest levels, which I guess is a problem in a lot of sports though.
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