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    Posted: 09 Aug 05 at 7:55pm

I've sailed for a fair few years now, but always monohull dinghies. Just recently, I have started sailing cats, and they are just the most fun ever. I've sailed dart16, dart18 and hobie16, and they are all great. However, I am faced with a dilemma.

I like the bulletproof nature of the dart16 (dart18 chips too easily) but it has no spinnaker. And the hobie does, which is great, but I think that also chips a bit easily, but far worse, it pitchpoles easily, which I really don't like!

I am sailing for my own pleasure, not racing. So, suggestions please. Is there anyone who makes a spinnaker for a dart16, and if not, what is the nearest equivalent that does have one, but doesnt pitchpole as easily as the hobie.

(oh, and I suppose I should mention I am a particular fan of there not being a boom!!!)

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The Dart 16 has a Kite kit.  There is one sailing at Grafham !
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You're right as well. Found it in the back of the laser website. Never seen one with it though!

Any idea who the person is on grafham. I'd love to meet them!

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Perry,

Where do you sail ?  I Sorry, no idea who it is; should be at the club this Sunday and If I see them I'll ask them.

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I mostly sail at Datchett near Heathrow in west London, but Grafham is only an hours drive, so it's perfectly doable as a Sunday out!

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Perry, ever heard of the Topcat range? They're breaking into the UK market this year - there has already been a review in the Aug edition of Dinghy magazine, I'd be interested to see Y&Y do something similar.

The K1, K2 and K3 (18ft, 17ft and 15ft respectively) are skeg boats, very well built and very similar to Darts to sail - no boom, simple controls, K1 & K2 available with asymmetrics.

Like you I sailed monohull dinghies for years and started cat sailing this year - and I agree with you about the fun factor!!  I bought a used Dart18 in January and got hooked almost immediately.

I'm also sailing mostly for fun nowadays and I've been sailing a Topcat K2 (17ft, twin trapeze) that has been parked at our club for demonstration purposes since July. I'm enjoying it so much I'm going to buy it (just have to decide whether to sell Dart18 to help pay for it).

If you're interested in trying one, we're holding another demonstration day on Saturday 3rd September - although if you can't make it we'll have the K2 at the club for good once it's mine and you're welcome to try it. We currently also have a K1 in the boat park for demo purposes.

Topcats are completely new to the UK although have been popular elsewhere in Europe and around the world - a few people I've spoken to have sailed them at various beach resorts on their holidays.

If you're interested see our website with links to Topcat's also.

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Andy,

Looks good. I can't get to canvey on 3rd, but I might well take you up on your offer sometime. I know the area quite well, and used to sail a lot out of leigh-on-sea nearby when I was younger.

Can you tell me one thing. What is the hull made out of. Something I noticed at our local club was the difference between the rotomoulded dart16 and the grp dart18. When the dart 18 touched the pontoon, it immediately chipped, whereas the dart16 ended up getting pulled up the slipway and didnt seem to do any damage to it.

Much as I like the speed of the dart 18 and similar boats (which is unquestionably faster than the dart16) I still think I want something which will be almost bombproof.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up, I'll keep my eyes open, and perhaps give you a shout when I get some time to come down and see one.

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have you looked at the hobie pacific? or even the spitfire? both with kites and twin trap.
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Guys,

Thanks for all the suggestions, but unless I am wrong, nearly all the boats you are talking about have fibreglass hulls and are not the 'toughest' in the world. I really want something that will last. I love the look of the spitfire, but again, what are the hulls made from.

I am looking for fun, not competition, and something that will last being treated badly (there you go, I said it!).

Any furhter suggestions! Keep em coming.

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Perry,

 

It sounds like the D16 is for you if you want a boat you can abuse...

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