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    Posted: 02 Mar 12 at 12:55pm
The thing we should have instead of that sail juice event for lipstick on coffin dodgers, is a premier series open only to boats that have been designed and built this century.

A half decent showcase of all that is modern and progressive about sailing, no idea if we have a big enough population for it, but it could at least offer an aspirational handicap circuit for all these pro jocks and semi pro ringers to show what modern boats are capable of rather than have them shoring up old dross.

It could also provide somewhere to go if you've failed to line the appropriate pockets to get on the international class approval list, so small builders could benefit.

They might also leave the genuine lovers of everything that is tired old and has been to stay that way.

Just a thought.


But in the season eh? Make it at least halfway attractive to humans, rather than aliens from the planet grim.
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Hi Grf
Would foiling moths count because the Int Moth has been around for years?
same would apply to Int14 etc all other development boats but to rules dating back years.
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I presume you mean SMODs then? How would classify the development classes? What about older one design classes that have made significant development, like the B14 adopting a carbon rig?
 
All a bit subjective really...
 
EDIT - Gordon beat me to it!
 
EDIT 2 - GRF - you seem to think that there are significant problems with some new classes too (eg your views on the 500) so are you just talking about an event where you choose the boats you like the look of?


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Greame, great idea, but that would disallow soo many boats, not sure even the Blaze would comply!!

How about anything designed since 1980? May open up the potential a bit.... And sailing mid summer (Or what we seem to get in this country!), gets my vote....

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NO, not subjective, the rule would be that the boat or class if you must insist on this stupid 'class' tag has to have been designed and built as a make or model this side of the millennium. I guess that could apply to some brand names of the flying stick insect but if it were down to me it would be a Short Series, the races would be triangle sausage and one discard from the event, so if the wind is light the stick insects would have to race and take their pasting. That way they'd have to design their way out of the hole they're in.

The idea being the goal of a modern boat that sails well in all conditions and suits all types of course, rather than the current trend of designing the course and the event to suit b**tardised designs that don't work.

Put up some half decent prize money like we did for speed week and have different divisions, single hander, twin etc..

So no if it's an old minger mutton trying to be lamb, do one, there's plenty for them already.
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Originally posted by Jon711

Greame, great idea, but that would disallow soo many boats, not sure even the Blaze would comply!!


No it wouldn't they'd have to launch something new, oh let me think, like a Blaze with a kite.


All that talent from the Sailjuice Series is wasted, they should run a summer series say two on res's and three on estuaries .

As I see it, Boats like the Alto, Aura, D1, Icon, Rs100,500, and anything else modern gets to enter and new stuff encouraged, with  young guys getting some credibility in winning it, with a manufacturers prize, a la F1.

All off the same start line, maybe split between two and single sails.

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Sounds like a good idea to show what new classes were formed in the last 12 years.  It would also be interesting to compare boat class numbers over the last 50 or so years, to determine the most active boat design years.
 
Re-the regatta, the laser was launched in 1971 and would therefore be out...but what about the 8.1 (2007).  Thinking along the same lines, how about boats that had new [GRP] hulls launched post 2000?
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pre 2000 vs post 2000???
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I meant post 2000 like Miracle GRP hull launched a couple of years ago.

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Good point Bernard, so a late Mark 2 or Mark 3 Blaze would be eligible - I can compete!!! yeah!!

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