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    Posted: 04 May 11 at 8:40am
I have just moved this from the dinghy techniques sub forum, as it seemed more appropriate! Sorry!

Just picked up a ebay special to teach the kids how to sail. I havent picked it up yet but I know the topsides need a bit of work. It is many years since I have had a wooden boat and so a few tips on the renovation would be helpful:

the existing varnish has lifted from the decks in places, so I am planning on removing all the loose stuff and sanding back . 

I have used international 2 pack a fair bit 15 -20 years ago. I will probably go for one pack, but would be happy to take a recommendation of current thinking. Also are there any good primers about, or is it best just to thin regular varnish.

The painted sections of the hull seem generally ok judging by the pics, but if they are in need I will probably just fill any defects and paint up for the summer,  with a more in depth repaint next winter.

Hoping to be on the water in a week or so


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I think one pot is always safer for older wooden boats, especially if the wood isn't in 100% condition and definitely if you're not sure what's been used in the past. Reserve two pot for new decks or when you are putting a new coat on existing two pot in good condition. One pot seems more flexible and better on tired decks. If you go to the CVRDA forum you'll find out about other options... there's some sort of pond sealer (honestly!) that people rave about for elderly wood.

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Thanks for the link Jim, pretty helpful
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The pond sealer Jim refers to is called G4 and was originally designed for the boat industry and was then found to be an excellent pond sealer. Its also much cheaper if you buy it at garden centres. The main advantage is that you can get several  coats on very quickly. Used as a primer it has given some very good results but ideally it needs a coat or two of varnish to provide uv protection.
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Originally posted by rogerd

The pond sealer Jim refers to is called G4 and was originally designed for the boat industry and was then found to be an excellent pond sealer. Its also much cheaper if you buy it at garden centres. The main advantage is that you can get several  coats on very quickly. Used as a primer it has given some very good results but ideally it needs a coat or two of varnish to provide uv protection.

I was reading about this yesterday, had a quick look in B&Q last night (was there on a gardening mission!) but didnt see any. I suspect I might be better off at a garden centre with a decent pond section.

Have you used G4 yourself?
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Yes garden centres are the place. Make sure you get the clear version black doesnt look to good. I have used it as a primer on clean bare wood and it has worked very well. I used it on decks but it is difficult in ribbed boats where there are lots of corners. Make sure you dont let it pool and spread it very thin. Any pools bubble and go white which is annoying. I used it on the decks of my classic Hornet in 2008 I think and it still looks good. You do need to uv protect it with varnish although I know of one merlin (36) that did several seasons without and still looked good.
The big advantage is you can get three coats on in a day.
lots talked about in on cvrda.org. some for and some no so but you get that any where. Would I use it again? yes in the right circumstances.
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Thanks guys ,
 
has anyone got any feelings with regards the brush versus pads/roller debate?
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Originally posted by sawman

has anyone got any feelings with regards the brush versus pads/roller debate?


Depends on how good you are at painting... If, like me, you're really bad at it then using a roller to put on a smooth even coat and then a brush to smooth over the roller texture will give a much more even result with far fewer runs than using just a paint brush on large areas.

If you are a competent painter I doubt it matters.

If its something like a clinker boat or even more a boat with a ribbed interior then the roller will be more trouble than its worth.
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Cheers jim. I might have a bash with a roller just for the sport of it, although I have always had a reasonable result with a brush before now.
The boat is a miracle so mainly flattish surfaces. Collecting it tonight so will be hard at it tomorrow with the sander etc (I'm just hoping the wood is in reasonable condition)
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If you use a Harris varnish miniroller, then the bubble problem foam rollers give goes away.

G4 destroys rollers, however - something to do with the nasty chemicals. BTW, G4 won't go on top of existing varnish.
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