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timnoyce Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote timnoyce Report Post Quote Reply Topic: CHERUB Posted: 23 May 05 at 11:29am
	Post anything cherub related in here so that we can try to not anger any more non believers
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Jack Sparrow Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jack Sparrow Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 3:47pm
	OK then: TO BAG OR NOT TO BAG. I've not sailed a boat where you have to bag the kite, and as the Cherub has gone up in kite size and is only 12ft long with the mast in the middle of the boat, there's not much room for a sock. In Loco our sock runs almost to the stern and is a considerable hazzard! Especially now we are twin wire. Getting out the other side quick is a must. So what do people think of Bagging the kite v's a sock?. Be interesting to here what people have to say as we are thinking of changing to Bagging on 'Loco Perro'. Plus learning to bag will be a defiante advantage if we go to OZ for the 12 ft Skiff interdoms. You can see the sock in this pic.
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49erGBR735HSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote 49erGBR735HSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 3:52pm
	The bags would save you a lot of space but we used to hate them with a passion in the 5000..... mind you, less things to go wrong.
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timnoyce Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote timnoyce Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 4:00pm
	hmmmm good question Daryl. I was hoping that after a weekend of B14 "sailing" i'd be able to give you a view on this topic but we never got the kite up! Managed to tack and break a wing followed by bending the mast so that cut our weekend short after only 20mins I've bagged on my mates Bell Flyer before and it just seems like a lot of hassle. I'd have thought that on a boat as short as the cherub the last place I would want to go would be forward of the mast when going downwind at high speed! recipe for a pitchpole i'm thinking! Do the Aussie 12's have more buoyancy up front to make it easier or is it just another plan to make their boats more extreme?!
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jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 4:46pm
	Hasn't the RS200 got a double pull down on the kite enabling them to have a shorter sock? I woul'd guess it does horrible things to the kite but it may be a solution. The only down side of bags is that you have to come in the boat to bag the kite (not to mention stepping forward and burying the bow) where as with a sock (if the helm drops) you are at least keeping the wieght back and out to a certain extent. Just MHO of course..... As for me I prefer a chute on the 'ball. Slightly slower hoist but a much faster drop, means we can be almost on the mark when we drop! Paul
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Granite Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476	Post Options Post Reply Quote Granite Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 4:51pm
	I have 3 patches on my 2005 rules kite and it still comes back to within 1 meter of the transom. I was half thinking of a stratigicaly placed kick bar so you hit that rather than the sock
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Phil eltringham Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105	Post Options Post Reply Quote Phil eltringham Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 5:19pm
	Having sailed the 29er (chute) and now B14 (bag) I can say that hoisting is pretty similar speed wise (bag possibly a bit faster). Droppping can be slower if you go for a windward drop because of pulling the kite round the front, but a well done gybe drop will save you three or four boatlengths, especially in the light stuff when the crew can pack the kite from up front with the jib in as you go upwind effectively allowing you to drop right on the mark. As for patches, they only work if you get the spacer knot just right. Also bagged kites last longer as they do not undergo the high tension involved in pulling them through the chute throat on each hoist and drop. Having said that there was an article in Y&Y not that long ago about a 12' skiff with a chute instead of bags and was not really any slower than the boats with bags.
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andy_cherub Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 768	Post Options Post Reply Quote andy_cherub Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 6:46pm
	Daryl, at the end of the day its all personal preference! Im my bros B14, its an arse to bring in - hand over hand! I much prefer the sock, but as Phil said - a carefully placed kick bar will sort this out. When I ran the 30sqm on Norfolk I pulled it in 12ft stylee, was an arse! Also ended in an unsuspecting pitchpole. When I get new rules on the cherub, i will have 3 or poss 4 patches, more friction but smaller sock! Andy
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hurricane Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1047	Post Options Post Reply Quote hurricane Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 7:02pm
	well i know its not really same thing but cats used to have bags but they were so much bother no one used em now we all have shutes its the norm to have a kite.
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Chris Noble Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Nov 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 710	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chris Noble Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 05 at 9:42pm
	it could just be that the 12" skiffs only have bags because of the fixed pole, it may not be an option to consider and that given the option i would think that a few would go for the chute
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