CHERUB
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Topic: CHERUB
Posted By: timnoyce
Subject: CHERUB
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 11:29am
Post anything cherub related in here so that we can try to not anger any more non believers 
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 3:47pm
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OK then:
TO BAG OR NOT TO BAG. I've not sailed a boat where you have to bag the kite, and as the Cherub has gone up in kite size and is only 12ft long with the mast in the middle of the boat, there's not much room for a sock. In Loco our sock runs almost to the stern and is a considerable hazzard! Especially now we are twin wire. Getting out the other side quick is a must. So what do people think of Bagging the kite v's a sock?. Be interesting to here what people have to say as we are thinking of changing to Bagging on 'Loco Perro'. Plus learning to bag will be a defiante advantage if we go to OZ for the 12 ft Skiff interdoms. You can see the sock in this pic.  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 3:52pm
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The bags would save you a lot of space but we used to hate them with a passion in the 5000..... mind you, less things to go wrong. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 4:00pm
hmmmm good question Daryl. I was hoping that after a weekend of B14
"sailing" i'd be able to give you a view on this topic but we never got
the kite up! Managed to tack and break a wing followed by bending the
mast so that cut our weekend short after only 20mins  I've bagged on my mates Bell Flyer before and it just seems like a lot of hassle. I'd have thought that on a boat as short as the cherub the last place I would want to go would be forward of the mast when going downwind at high speed! recipe for a pitchpole i'm thinking! Do the Aussie 12's have more buoyancy up front to make it easier or is it just another plan to make their boats more extreme?! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 4:46pm
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Hasn't the RS200 got a double pull down on the kite enabling them to have a shorter sock? I woul'd guess it does horrible things to the kite but it may be a solution. The only down side of bags is that you have to come in the boat to bag the kite (not to mention stepping forward and burying the bow) where as with a sock (if the helm drops) you are at least keeping the wieght back and out to a certain extent. Just MHO of course..... As for me I prefer a chute on the 'ball. Slightly slower hoist but a much faster drop, means we can be almost on the mark when we drop! Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 4:51pm
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I have 3 patches on my 2005 rules kite and it still comes back to within 1 meter of the transom. I was half thinking of a stratigicaly placed kick bar so you hit that rather than the sock ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 5:19pm
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Having sailed the 29er (chute) and now B14 (bag) I can say that hoisting is pretty similar speed wise (bag possibly a bit faster). Droppping can be slower if you go for a windward drop because of pulling the kite round the front, but a well done gybe drop will save you three or four boatlengths, especially in the light stuff when the crew can pack the kite from up front with the jib in as you go upwind effectively allowing you to drop right on the mark. As for patches, they only work if you get the spacer knot just right. Also bagged kites last longer as they do not undergo the high tension involved in pulling them through the chute throat on each hoist and drop. Having said that there was an article in Y&Y not that long ago about a 12' skiff with a chute instead of bags and was not really any slower than the boats with bags. ------------- FLAT IS FAST! Shifts Happen |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 6:46pm
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Daryl, at the end of the day its all personal preference! Im my bros B14, its an arse to bring in - hand over hand! I much prefer the sock, but as Phil said - a carefully placed kick bar will sort this out. When I ran the 30sqm on Norfolk I pulled it in 12ft stylee, was an arse! Also ended in an unsuspecting pitchpole. When I get new rules on the cherub, i will have 3 or poss 4 patches, more friction but smaller sock! Andy ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 7:02pm
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well i know its not really same thing but cats used to have bags but they were so much bother no one used em now we all have shutes its the norm to have a kite. ------------- lifes to short to sail slow boats! RIP Olympic Tornado 1976-2007 |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 23 May 05 at 9:42pm
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it could just be that the 12" skiffs only have bags because of the fixed pole, it may not be an option to consider and that given the option i would think that a few would go for the chute ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 12:49pm
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Why not do what the Hornets do? - keep the shute but lose the sock so it's loose under the fordeck and have a 'kipper line' where the downhaul goes thru a plastic ring on elastic between mast and chainplate which is stretched as you pull the kite down. When the kite is all the way down you let go of the downhaul and the kite 'pinged' back under the fordeck. Admittedly both the fordeck and cockpit are a bit bigger and the kite a bit smaller so it might need a fair bit of pin but you get the advantage of less wear on the kite. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 12:50pm
Thanks guys I think we are coming around to staying with the sock but.... Granite ( AKA Phil ) So even with 3 patches ( this is the other option ) the sock is still long? Have you got a spacer knot / konts? ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 12:51pm
Hey man I like your thinking... this could be an option. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 1:00pm
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I had something like the hornet on the Trifle, this was only the 15m kite yet it caused a few problems, ie - capsize, it would float out and get tangled and caught! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 1:09pm
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At the moment I am using a spacer knot to ease the passage into the chute but it does have the effect of making the kite longer when in the boat. On my previous boat I tried the no sock and elastic pinging forward method and it did work but you need to isolate the kite from any string under the foredeck e.g. self tacker or pole launch string or it will get sucked in. bear in mind that you are still going to have to pull the kite back as far as it currently goes and it has to then ping forward without getting caught on anything and ends up being folded into half its current size ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 2:17pm
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Does anyone know the new PY for the new amount of sail area for the Cherub? I can only find a py of 980....is that with the 21sq m kite and 15.5 upwind area? Thanks, kasey |
Posted By: lemeouttahere
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 3:00pm
all that isa required is a little mesh to keep the kite forward of the mast |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 3:37pm
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Just a bit of a wild idea but.... Maybe you could use a section of cat trampoline with a cringle put in the right place to allow the halyard to run through. On the drop the material would then pull in to the boat with the kite and once done it would all spring back in to place. Not sure how you could secure it, maybe use bungee cord to give that extra bit of stretch.... Like I said just a mad idea bu it may be worth investigating... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 5:05pm
The handicap for the Cherub based on last years figures for 12.5 upwind and 15 kite is 975 For the 2005 rules with the larger sail area at the moment the only thing you can do is guess a number as there has not been enought boats on the water for enough time to calculate one. Essentialy the handicap is 975 for all cherubs, however the race officer can alter the handicap at there own descretion depending on the age and rules compliance of the boat. There is some guideance on the Cherub web site. http://www.sailingsource/cherub/ - http://www.sailingsource/cherub/ At the moment from the sailing I have done in my 2005 rules boat I have no real idea as I have yet to sail against other boats in any sort of consistant wind speed with me sailing the boat any where near its potential due to it's new ness and systems still not working fully. and I have yet to sail against another 2005 rules Cherub I have had bursts of speed but also bursts of sitting stopped in the water with everyone sailng past. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 5:23pm
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So far in the boat I have found that in less than 5 Kts is is quick espesialy down wind as I can soak much lower with the bigger kite than I could with a 97 spec boat. In 5-10 kts it should be quicker but I have been having problems keeping the weight forward when marginal two trapizing and the dragging transom combined with the lack of practice moving in and out has causd me to be incredibly slow. The T-Foil rudder should cure one and practice the other(I hope) 10-15Kts This area should show real speed increases up wind as we should be able to start planing up wind much earlier, I have yet to sail against any other boats in this wind speed so have no real idea, down wind in 15 Kts the boat felt fast and increadibly bouncy, but the GPS did not give much better speed than in a 97 spec boat in about the same wind but it is difficult to tell. 15-20 Kts de-powering conditions and the 97 spec boats are probably still fully powered up so the extra drag from the extra sail area would now be starting to slow the new boats down in comparison.(Have yet to try this) 20 Kts plus going to be seriously interesting but already is in a 97 rules boat you will just have to respect the rig more and hang on.
------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 24 May 05 at 10:40pm
CANT WAIT!!!  ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: brashleyd
Date Posted: 25 May 05 at 10:18am
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hi it does not look like ash (nolfolk in chance), can make it to the nationals this year, so does anyone need a crew because im at abit of a loose end! cheers ashley (nolfolks crew) |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 5:51pm
sorry mate my cherub is full for the nats. i considered having a third
person for a while but i'm not sure that it would do us any good! 
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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 7:57pm
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hey guys, this is definetly the place to ask, a while back me and my crew were thinking bout moving into a single trapeze asymetric class, (this was when the cherub was still single wire) and we looked about and found this cherub that looked ace, as all the ones we'd seen looked poorly built or just old, but this one looked properly and really well built and modified, it was a modified "hot dog" design that had had a false floor put in for drainage with an alloy rig and a few suits of sails, one brand new, the catch was if we wanted it it had to be bought then and there or wed miss out, it was only £800 i couldnt believe it!, thing is the opportunity might be about to arrise again for mayb the same boat, it was tricked out block wise and everything just could do with a crbon rig and that kind of stuff, do any of you know of the boat as apparently it was quite well known, do you think it could be converted to the new rules and would it be a good investment? ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:09pm
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What was the name/sailnumber/name of the owner? I will look on my database
------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:11pm
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i dont know at present but ill get some photos of it off the other computer as soon as i can ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:14pm
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I've only got three 'Hotdogs' on the books. One was last seen at Farmoor, one is looking the mutts in Exeter and the other is one I haven't heard from in a while... There might be others as some of the records are a bit patchy with respect to the actual design names, prefering to record the name of the designer. ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:16pm
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this one was on the south coast when i was looking at it, but it was then bought and it is the new owner ( i think and hope!) that is maybe selling it. It was laser grey in colour i think and looked like actualy gel coat. ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:20pm
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I used to have a hotdog - its now been turned into 'whamm' It came from Plymouth, but it was white. Dazcat modified it to begin with! it is 2539 ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:25pm
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Hmm, not sure which one it might be. But do let us know if you get it. There was quite an old one on ebay the other day that looked very nice. Your location is listed as 'Scotland', there is another very nice one in Hexham (King Tubby aka Geriatric Gigolo) if you don't fancy the drive south ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:27pm
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looking at the photos of it, it doesnt look the same, the one i was looking at looked much narrower, and more pointed and narrow towards the bow, with a glass pole the guy said, because he thot a carbon one flexed too much apparently when i asked him ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:29pm
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have you got any listings for these boats or sites wher i can see photos, wede be wanting a glass or carbon boat, not bothered about price really as youve got to work for it if you want it, so not a problem, but with the moth prject at the moment, not ooking to buy a new one with those kina prices , although they look worth every penny ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 8:31pm
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yer i had a look aty that on the computer and it doesnt come with a combi trailer!! how much would one cost? and how much would it cost to get up to skratch?
------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 9:11pm
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for 2nd hand cheurbs: http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub - www.sailingsource.com/cherub to 'bring upto scratch' totally depends what you wana do to it! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 9:42pm
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not much on there ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 9:54pm
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There are two modern ones: geriatric gigolo (which has it's own website with loads of photos) and the Barr 1. There will be others for sale later in the year, or alternatively place a 'wanted' ad describing what you are looking for. We can circulate it to our members. ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 26 May 05 at 10:53pm
heres the URL: http://www.geriatric-gigolo.co.uk/ - http://www.geriatric-gigolo.co.uk/  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 27 May 05 at 3:45pm
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cheers for that what is putting me off that on eis that is doent have a road trailler! but they look very fun! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 27 May 05 at 4:32pm
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hey guys how about having the chute connected to a bit of drainpipe between the two hull skins then you could pull the kite in under the floor. its a crazy idea but it might just work ------------- |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 27 May 05 at 4:56pm
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yer that would work i think but it would look very funny!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 27 May 05 at 6:48pm
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Wouldn't you worry about loads of water getting down there & staying there? If the drainpipe came out the back then water would go the other way in light winds! ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 27 May 05 at 6:49pm
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Lots of trailors on ebay for under £100, might need new bearings to get roadworthy ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 29 May 05 at 6:27pm
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a question for all the cherub sailors, or just anyone who is in the know, whats the draft of a cherub? & Center Or Daggerboard? ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 29 May 05 at 7:09pm
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No rules about centre/dagger boards. All the modern ones have daggerboards. Draft: Do you mean how deep in the water is the tip of the board? If so, then it varies from boat to boat. There aren't any rules about the length of the board. Ours is to my waist (I'm 5'9''). Hope that helps. Is this an 'inland waters' question? ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 29 May 05 at 7:50pm
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well yeah sorta, what got me thinking was that i was looking at some drawing on the cherub website, and i couldn't workout if they had center or daggerboards, and with them only been realituvly short boats the center/daggerboards looked massivly deep. fanks for your help ------------- Jon Vortex 1169 http://www.yorkshiredales.sc/ - Yorkshire Dales Sailing Club |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 30 May 05 at 1:03pm
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yer pi*s off!! back to the cherubs!! lol has anyone tryed hydro foils? ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 30 May 05 at 10:01pm
I believe an arrangement on those lines is currently popular in the 16ft skiffs. You'd have to have a very high floor to make it self draining in a Cherub. |
Posted By: brashleyd
Date Posted: 30 May 05 at 11:05pm
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we're gonna run an 800 spinni on norfolk! Andy... nolfolk now has kick rails, toe loops and a working spinnaker system |
Posted By: skiffhash18
Date Posted: 30 May 05 at 11:30pm
| yer im glad that my norfolk works properly now! |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 31 May 05 at 1:23pm
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will be good to see norfolk out on the water. I'll be bringing my
wildly painted monster down to netley this summer so should have some
good cherub action on the water I've got bens old chopped down 800 kite so we'll be able to duel!
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 31 May 05 at 7:11pm
I think there is a secret building mission in Wales, but as the chap that could be building them does things that are top secret in the day time, he doesn't have access to things like this web forum. As soon as we have Cherub lift off you can be sure that every one will know. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 31 May 05 at 8:03pm
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SWEET Ash - cant wait to see her! Me and tim will be down at Netley monday til Fri before the open at Weston (plus making it work and tinkering with the mast on the weekend!) See you on the water lads! Andy ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 31 May 05 at 8:03pm
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Who makes sails for the Cherub dinghy? Just looked on pinbax and they don't! or does ne1 hav the current price list for the new size sails? Thanx, kasey |
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Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 31 May 05 at 8:21pm
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Recent sails in the fleet have come from Read Eye, Caws, RMW
Marine, Fyfes in New Zealand Batt sails have also made quite a few sets
in the past. Your best bet for prices is to phone them up and ask for a price. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 31 May 05 at 11:40pm
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Prices from Red Eyes sails website:
Main in Bainbridge SL30HMT with three panel window, battens, insignia, numbers and long sail bag. £640.00 (inc Vat excl Delivery) Jib in Bainbridge SL30HMT with three panel window, battens, telltales and long £315.00 (inc VAT excl Delivery) Spinnaker full radial £445.00 (inc VAT excl Delivery) http://www.redeyesails.co.uk/cherub_sails.htm - http://www.redeyesails.co.uk/cherub_sails.htm ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: chucktheskiffie
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 2:47am
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Are the UK cherubs restricted in sail shape??
There is very little room to move here in Oz with the shape of cherub sails... ------------- |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 6:10am
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UK rules are very open - White sail area is 15.5m2 and can be any shape you like, but with a cap on the maximum mast height. Kite is 21m2 nominal - again any shape you like. |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 10:39am
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thanx 4 the sail prices! i managed to find red eye...but am having trouble finding caws?...do they hav a website? thanx, kasey |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 11:49am
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I don't think Caws have a web site, but you can contact them through
Bloodaxe boats http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk/ - http:// www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk/ they are both on the island, but you might wait a long time for a set of Caws, he's not the fastest sailmaker around.  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 1:20pm
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Caws Sails
Unit 16, Somerton Industrial Park, Newport Rd, Cowes, Isle of Wight PO31 8PB Tel: 01983 299397 ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 4:19pm
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great, thanx for your help! ......does any1 need a crew for ne future cherub events? kasey
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 5:16pm
Not a question of speed, my Caws sails have always come when promised, its a question of length of waiting list. Having a long waiting list probably says something about the product... |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 5:25pm
That's probably true, but not much help if want / need some sails before the summer is up. Andy P said he couldn't get his till after the nationals when he asked quite a while back. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 5:31pm
I / we don't but I know of at least one person that may need a crew for Weston, join the class email list that you can find on the cherub class site: http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php - http:// www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php and ask on there, i will drop your name to a mate and see if he is still going. As his daughter has just broken here finger playing volley ball! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 01 Jun 05 at 8:53pm
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thanx!!....that would be gr8 if u could ask him! ......i broke my finger last year whilst sailing a buzz thanx again, kasey. |
.....painful and means being off sailing for 4months Posted By: chucktheskiffie
Date Posted: 03 Jun 05 at 1:45am
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What sort of weight do UK cherubs look for?? I sailed in the cherub australian nationals over christmas (i usually sail a 16ft skiff, but i used to own a cherub) but because i currently weigh in at around 90kg, the boat was a dog.... i should imagine with the bigger sails that the UK cherubs are looking for more weight?? ------------- |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 03 Jun 05 at 9:09am
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Well obviously you can tune your rig for your own requirements,
lightweights more flexible top sections e.t.c and vice versa for the heavies.... but the average for the fleet is about 20 stone or 140 kg... in fact we have just done a fleet survey and 31% are 130-kg to 140-kg and 25% are 140-kg to 150-kg. We thought very carefully about the new rig size / and 2nd string and were / are determined not to push ourselves in to a different market. And alter the feel of the boat. Hence the mast cap and sail sizes. Sounds like you need a nice wee girly at the sharp end and then you'll get your heart racing again! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 03 Jun 05 at 1:06pm
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It would make more sence to put the wee girly at the blunt end. If you set the boat up so that the crew does the main up wind then they are doing all the heavy work, e.g. hoisting sheeting and droping the kite along with the main. The helm is just doing the steering and main down wind so does not need much brawn. I weigh 85Kg and get on fine in a UK cherub ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 03 Jun 05 at 4:58pm
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Does this mean we will be seeing a change in crew positions on Primal
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 03 Jun 05 at 7:50pm
Wow so is ur cherub the one that everyone saw at the dinghy show? sorry bit slow on the uptake ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 05 at 10:46pm
Of course two Worlds were won like that in the 1970s. Though I must admit I'd like to be watching from a (very) safe distance if someone called Nicky Bethwaite a wee girly. |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 03 Jun 05 at 10:54pm
There is a longish term plan to swap ends but not for a while till she is more used to the speed and bouncyness! My Cherub is the grey unfinished one from the dingy show, after some sucsessfull test sails in batleship primer, the next time on the water will be with a shiny new paint scheme along with some other minor mod's ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 04 Jun 05 at 12:26am
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Can't wait to see it Phil... ------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 04 Jun 05 at 8:34am
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Phil, words cant describe Primal - this sums her up ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 04 Jun 05 at 6:47pm
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Hope to get some pics soon so we can get rid of a couple of thousand words
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 4:29pm
just finished some more mods this weekend. the pole got extended
for the new big kite and we made some rather sexy looking kick bars! we just sheathed in a broken rs700 mast and whacked loads of uni d and weave round it. looks rather special not    fingers crossed they survive for weston even though the forecast is RUBBISH! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 4:34pm
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In a few weeks were gunna be adding a couple of kick bars to my 14, i
was wondering though ours we have made out of carbon in a rectangular
cross section shape, arent those round ones gunna be a bit slippy with
spray flying around?
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 4:43pm
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i think they should be ok. they're quite high enough to give
something to push against. If not then i've got some pro grip that i
can put on there anyway. we shall see!
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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 4:53pm
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They will work ok - its only to push out on the wire. Ive used this method before. ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: brashleyd
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 6:59pm
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me and ash put the kick rail for nolfolk on top of the boyancy tank, the one in the middle of the boat did not seem to work very well. |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 7:11pm
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Ash - you gona be down at Netley 2mz - Tim and I are aiming to be there about 11 ish! wud be good to see you guys!! if not - wed eve racing (if its still in one piece)! ps - cud you get hold of an RS800 kite for around £100 for me? ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 7:11pm
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hmmm, u must only have little legs! It's possible to get on the wire
without ank kick bars at all so this will be luxury in comparison!
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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 7:16pm
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Yer man!! Norfolk could twin on no probs - 'team shed' (sorry tim) was a lil more tricky, but now will be LOVELY!!! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: brashleyd
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 7:31pm
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andy, i suppose im used to the 800 which has more kick bars than i know what to do with! as for the 800 kite i shall see what i can do for you! have you cheked the class assosiation website? shame its one meter over what were allowed |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 7:43pm
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nah man, the 800 kite measures as 21sqm - so its ideal!! jus as long as you have a long enough pole and a max height mast!!! see you on the water ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: brashleyd
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 7:49pm
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isnt the new kite size 20sqm, im pretty sure the pole is long enough! what cherub are you going to try and get hold of next? |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 7:59pm
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The new rule is 21 mate - im not sure the current pole on her is long enough - we have jus extended tims to 11.5 foot from the mast! when will you be at netley next - we will have a look and see how it fits. I know it was WAY too small for my 30sqm kite! My next boat is Aqua - shes changing hands after the nationals! SHIBBY! But in the mean tim, racing with timmmy boi is the way forward! Sorry, which Ash is this - owner or crew? ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: brashleyd
Date Posted: 06 Jun 05 at 8:15pm
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its ash 'crew', nolfolk is down at stokes bay now! so i dont think we will be down at netly much! But we are doin weston. Nice one, Aqua is an awesome boat, if you ever need an event or wednesday crew i would happy to help. |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 6:10pm
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took the boat out today since having the modifications and it is
performing like a true champion. Wind peaked at about a force 3 but we
were twin wiring with the kite up across southampton water! Big kite
makes it much less twitchy downwind, feels more like a 49er than a
cherub now! I'll try and take some pics tomorrow as we'll be out sailing all day again! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 07 Jun 05 at 6:33pm
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I MUST agree Tim - that was the best sail ive had in a long time!! Cant wait to go 2005 rules!! WAH HOOOO!!!! Lets hope its the same again tomor! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 13 Jun 05 at 4:30pm
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Cheers to the Weston crew for an awesome weekends racing. Was good to
get some boat speed testing against other cherubs as it's quite hard to
find boats which have the same speed characteristics! Got a bit of a leak it seems as there was about a persons weight of water in the boat once we finished the day, but still managed to clock in 18knots on the sail back to Netley! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 13 Jun 05 at 6:18pm
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Nice one! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 13 Jun 05 at 6:48pm
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got any photos yet then? ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: brashleyd
Date Posted: 14 Jun 05 at 12:05pm
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if anyone is wondering what happened to me and ash (nolfolk), after the first race we went for a blast and pulling the kite the pole lauch line ripped out of the fordeck! oops but up untill that point nolfolk felt amazing, downwind she really fly's! and thats without the 800 kite! |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 14 Jun 05 at 5:56pm
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HAHA, yer man!! Norfolk is a beast in a breeze, I got 31.2 knots outa her with the rig ur using at the mo! True I was kakking myself! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 14 Jun 05 at 6:08pm
i think your GPS was playing up. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 14 Jun 05 at 6:09pm
No photos but a movie.... http://uk.geocities.com/cherub.publicity@btinternet.com/locodownwind.html - http://uk.geocities.com/cherub.publicity@btinternet.com/loco downwind.html ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 14 Jun 05 at 6:45pm
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I compared the GPS with a friends, showed the same. It was at Weymouth, dead flat water - and then a sudden squwal kiked in, twinin upwind with the entire top half of the main backed!!! As it was so flat, end of racing (student Nats) we jus went for the kite! The resuce rib, HUUUGE thing, well - they cudnt keep up! Just felt the water ripples banging the hull! It was emence - never got close to that feeling even in the 49er!! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 14 Jun 05 at 7:09pm
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Flippin hell thats fast ! i want one ! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 14 Jun 05 at 8:18pm
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thats a sweet video but i bet the first go in a foiling moth would match that feeling ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |