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    Posted: 16 Oct 07 at 12:51pm

Genuine question - I'm not RYA bashing

Do we have a moral obligation to be personal members?  If so, why?   I am a member of a club which is affiliated, but not a personal member anymore. I can't quite see what the point is - how would I benefit?   Okay, I can't get a job as a sailing instructor anymore. Anything else?  If it is just a way for the RYA to make more money, why don't they just charge the clubs more and do away with personal membership?

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No way, we definitely do not have a moral obligation to join.
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

why don't they just charge the clubs more and do away with personal membership?

Not everyone who sails belongs to a club. Not even everyone who races. I've spent significant chunks of my racing career belonging to the RYA but not to a club.

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Originally posted by Chew my RS

why don't they just charge the clubs more and do away with personal membership?

Not everyone who sails belongs to a club. Not even everyone who races. I've spent significant chunks of my racing career belonging to the RYA but not to a club.

I suppose that is the answer.  I can see that not everyone who sails would belong to a club, but I'm suprised there are any racers who don't.  Either way, there doesn't seem much need to belong to a club and the RYA.  As TT shows, the benefits aren't exactly compelling.

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We (RYA staff members) don't normally enter into debate on forums (but we do monitor them) due to the amount of time they could soak up.  But seeing as you asked a straight question...

There are two fundamental reasons to join the RYA.

Firstly the promotion of leisure boating in all it's forms, through delivery of advice to newcomers, the creation and administration of world class training schemes, and other key projects that help in getting people out on the water.

Secondly theres the protection of the rights and freedoms that we all enjoy.  The UK has one of the least regulated leisure marine sectors in the "developed" world (I hate that phrase), along with one of the best safety records.  We live in a world where every day somebody is trying to legislate against this and regulate that, mostly without an in depth knowledge of the subject matter or culture that they're dealing with.  Sometimes these people need opposing point blank.  Often it's a case of finding a workable solution, one that achieve the objective without significant impact on sailing and boating.  One thing is for sure, regulation and bits of paper don't necessarily make for a safer world, but they do cost a lot of money.  Money that always ends up being passed to the user.

The RYA relies on the support of personal members to pursue these interests.  We're biased of course but we'd argue that the cost of the legislation that would be implemented in our absense would be many times the cost of a personal membership.  A much more detailled description of the RYA's role and activities is given on the website, CLICK HERE to go directly to the relevant section (use the left hand navigation).

Because we have a very large membership base, we're also able to negotiate some good deals for the benefit of our personal members, and these are listed here.

I'd also like to clear up this misconception about the fees that clubs pay, which has been expressed before on these forums.  In terms of our subscription income, Personal Memberships contribute 87% of this, as opposed to Clubs/Orgs subs which are just 13%.  Clubs are basically being charged for the services that they as an organisation receive, not for the work that the RYA does on behalf of their members.

We could move to a purely club member based system, but the clubs would resent being seen as RYA tax collectors.  It would also be unfair to the significant sector of boating people who don't belong to a club. A "club member" scheme was in fact trialled in the 60's and it was a disaster.  We still reckon to feel the negative effects from that now, in terms of this misconception. 

In summary, do you have a moral obligation to join?  I wouldn't go that far, but if you look at the big picture, I hope people will see that they get good value for money from their national organisation, and support it for the right reasons.

Please do go to the RYA website and take a bit of time to find out more about what is going on.  If anybody would like copies of leaflets produced to explain some of the current issues, please e-mail your name and address to marketing at rya.org.uk

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I suppose you have to look at what the RYA does for the average racer:

1.  They work alongside other international organisations to keep the rules up to date and in step with developments in boat design.

2.  They provide measurers and a measurement system that ensures racing dinghies adhere to their class rules.  they also provide the sail numbering system for new boats.

3.  They provide a coaching framework so that sailors can learn to race at club level from their Club Race Coach,and become more proficient at racing their own boats through coaching from their Class Coach.

4.  They organise, fund and run the Youth Squads, the Development squads and the Olympic squads, making GB extremely successful in dinghy racing and small boat racing in international terms.  The average club racer benefits from this somewhere further down the line in terms of properly trained and experienced coaches, the pooling and sharing of information about rigs and equipment, new developments in clothing, 

5.  They monitor and update the Portsmouth yardstick system which enables handicap racing to take place.

In view of this, it would almost seem fairer that the racing sailor should pay an extra premium towards RYA membership, rather than the club member who only cruises for pleasure and who gets very little out of the RYA.

I am a personal member of the RYA - I have to be because I am an SI and a Club Race Coach.  I benefit not only from the quality training that is available enabling me to keep my skills and knowledge up to date, but also from being able to download a mass of useful resources from the RYA website.  I also get a good discount on books etc from the RYA webshop, and a very good discount on the insurance for my two dinghies.

I suppose that many non members will say 'why bother - we'll get the benefits anyway?' - and they'd be right.  I suppose it just depends how much you want to put back into a body that does do an awful lot for the racing sailor, who usually simply does not see what goes on behind the scenes.

Oh and I forgot to mention race organisation, safety boat training, the dinghy show....


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Thanks for the reply.  I hadn't realised that personal membership was such a large part of your income.  I feel a bit guilty now...

Still, there seems to be a flaw in the system whereby I have no obligation or direct incentive (beyond feeling that I have done the right thing) to join the association that runs my sport.  I'm not sure what the answer is though.

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Originally posted by Chew my RS

I can see that not everyone who sails would belong to a club, but I'm suprised there are any racers who don't.

Quite a lot of racers don't belong to a club. One group is those who only ever do opens. A second is those keelboat sailors who operate out of marinas etc. rather than clubs. 

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Winging it - many of the reasons you give are good reasons for the RYA existing, but not necessarily good reasons for being a personal member. 

Taking each point in turn:

1. True, but I would have though that could/should be a club funded activity.

2. Only for the very few 'national' classes though, I think.  So not for RSs, Toppers, Lasers etc. Why should I pay for someone to measure someone elses Merlin Rocket?

3. As 1.

4. The RYA have been extremely successful at getting Olympic medals.  But is this a) my responsibility to fund and b) best use of funds?  Just asking, I don't know and is probably the subject of another thread.

5. Certainly could/should be funded by the clubs (and Pete Vincent wrote a very good article in the other sailing mag suggesting the system needs a long overdue overhaul).

Even if I accept all your reasons, as you say, I still get the benfit without paying - which is hardly fair.  Personally, I think it makes more sense to get more income through the clubs, which we have to be a member of to race.  That way, more people will be contributing more and less reliance is placed on those who are benevolent enough to become personal members.  But that has been tried, and failed, so I don't know what the solution is.  May be society has changed since the 60's and we'd be more willing now?

Intersting stuff.

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