Mistake or not???

   Okay then I think I may have made a small boo boo........again  

Two boats on the run into the line lets call them A and B!!
Boat A is on Starboard and is in the lead
Boat B is on Port and has given up on the fight - me  
Boat A crosses in front (just) of boat B.  Boat B has to bear away to go behind A
Boat A Tacks onto Port, and is now 1/2 boat ahead
Boat B is on the Layline for the committe boat and keeps going squeezing boat A around the wrong side
Am I a bad person?  I think in hindsight that I probably am especially as he was miles ahead on handicap
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Contender 541 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Dec 05 Location: Burton on Trent Online Status: Offline Posts: 1402	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contender 541 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Mistake or not??? Posted: 16 Jul 07 at 9:09pm
	Okay then I think I may have made a small boo boo........again Two boats on the run into the line lets call them A and B!! Boat A is on Starboard and is in the lead Boat B is on Port and has given up on the fight - me Boat A crosses in front (just) of boat B. Boat B has to bear away to go behind A Boat A Tacks onto Port, and is now 1/2 boat ahead Boat B is on the Layline for the committe boat and keeps going squeezing boat A around the wrong side Am I a bad person? I think in hindsight that I probably am especially as he was miles ahead on handicap Discuss
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DiscoBall Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 03 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 305	Post Options Post Reply Quote DiscoBall Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jul 07 at 9:40pm
	The ends of the line (whether buoy or committee boat) are 'marks of the course' (i.e they start finish or bound a leg) and therefore A would be entitled to room assuming he tacked into the position before the 2 boatlengths circle as he was overlapped inside. Not actually quite sure what the situation would be if he tacked inside the two boatlengths..??? Maybe you're owing someone a beer.... Edited by DiscoBall

Contender 541 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Dec 05 Location: Burton on Trent Online Status: Offline Posts: 1402	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contender 541 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jul 07 at 6:20am
	It would be tight on the 2 boat lengths - I am a Flying Fifteen and he is a Laser, so a bit of difference on the boat lengths. If 2 boat lengths are his, probably okay. If mine, probably not What I dont understand is why he just did not slow down a touch when crossing, call me and force me to tack and then tack himself - Game over
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jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jul 07 at 7:23am
	I would say that you owe the Laser guy a beer given you description....(ie both beating on port into the line. He would have been inside boat overlapped at the 'zone'). Could be wrong though.....when 2BL is imnportant it is of the closest boat (so much closer for a Laser than a Flying Fifteen). Hard one to call without a drawing of the situation...
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bert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 23 Apr 05 Location: norwich usually Online Status: Offline Posts: 584	Post Options Post Reply Quote bert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jul 07 at 9:45pm
	Hi Boat B is on the Layline for the committe boat and keeps going squeezing boat A around the wrong side -- why squeeze when you already have got him/her on handicap bad person!!. I am sorry to say this but if you just squeezed because you could,bear in mind that the boat A properbly knows that he/she F**ked that up & rubbing his /her nose in it will not inprove relations.Also he/she may well now decide to push you round the long way when ever they can so enjoy the fruits of your labours. ,
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Contender 541 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Dec 05 Location: Burton on Trent Online Status: Offline Posts: 1402	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contender 541 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 07 at 6:17am
	Hi Bert Sorry mate wrong way around. He had already got me on handicap, but you are still right - I did it because I could!! That said, in all probability, he have done the same if reversed, so all fair there. Sailing against the same people every week allows you to develop an understanding of these who is going to do what
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Paramedic Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paramedic Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 07 at 10:00am
	In that situation is it worth it? You can't beat him anyway so why potentially screw his race up? I'd have let him in i'm afraid. In proper class racing however i'd be far more ruthless. Edited by Paramedic

craig-m Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 28 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Post Options Post Reply Quote craig-m Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 07 at 3:42pm
	I was the Laser in question... i misjudged how close the flying 15 (contender 541) was to the layline and thought i could cross his bow then tack and finish. I'm not sure about the 2BL, was more botherd about being able to tack out the way when i realised how close i was to the commitee boat. My bow must have been inches from the safety moored up to the committee boat It has always been a rule that i've never understood however, so the same rules apply as at a mark of the course...2BL, water etc...? Edited by craig-m
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bert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 23 Apr 05 Location: norwich usually Online Status: Offline Posts: 584	Post Options Post Reply Quote bert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 07 at 7:23pm
	HI Craig If you are to coach & do all this month`s sailing Now would be a good time to check up on sailing rules thread - the Island Barn page is good & simple. ( 4 weeks of sailing and coaching for me coming up NSSA regatta in Plymouth next week, then straight to Weymouth to coach at the Opi Nats, then back home again to coach at my club for a week, then back to Weymouth again for the Laser nats ) I am doing the Vareo nat`s at Netley OR i may just party for 4 day`s unsure at the moment i think i may just be Very Happy to be back in Blighty!! All i want to do right at this moment is get back to the UK,flight on Monday Nat`s on Friday,whole load of sh!te to do in the interium. Have Fun,Enjoy
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craig-m Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Newbie Joined: 28 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Post Options Post Reply Quote craig-m Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jul 07 at 9:07pm
	Now I know about that rule Found out all the other rules when i was in the national squad so perfectly happen with them. BTW Stuart...you'll have Matt for company in Bala as im not crewing for my dad at that event. Enjoy!
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