Mistake or not???
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Topic: Mistake or not???
Posted By: Contender 541
Subject: Mistake or not???
Date Posted: 16 Jul 07 at 9:09pm
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Okay then I think I may have made a small boo boo........again
Two boats on the run into the line lets call them A and B!! Boat A is on Starboard and is in the lead Boat B is on Port and has given up on the fight - me Boat A crosses in front (just) of boat B. Boat B has to bear away to go behind A Boat A Tacks onto Port, and is now 1/2 boat ahead Boat B is on the Layline for the committe boat and keeps going squeezing boat A around the wrong side Am I a bad person? I think in hindsight that I probably am especially as he was miles ahead on handicap Discuss ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
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Posted By: DiscoBall
Date Posted: 16 Jul 07 at 9:40pm
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The ends of the line (whether buoy or committee boat) are 'marks of the course' (i.e they start finish or bound a leg) and therefore A would be entitled to room assuming he tacked into the position before the 2 boatlengths circle as he was overlapped inside. Not actually quite sure what the situation would be if he tacked inside the two boatlengths..???  Maybe you're owing someone a beer.... |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 17 Jul 07 at 6:20am
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It would be tight on the 2 boat lengths - I am a Flying Fifteen and he is a Laser, so a bit of difference on the boat lengths. If 2 boat lengths are his, probably okay. If mine, probably not
What I dont understand is why he just did not slow down a touch when crossing, call me and force me to tack and then tack himself - Game over ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 17 Jul 07 at 7:23am
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I would say that you owe the Laser guy a beer given you description....(ie both beating on port into the line. He would have been inside boat overlapped at the 'zone'). Could be wrong though.....when 2BL is imnportant it is of the closest boat (so much closer for a Laser than a Flying Fifteen). Hard one to call without a drawing of the situation... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: bert
Date Posted: 17 Jul 07 at 9:45pm
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Hi Boat B is on the Layline for the committe boat and keeps going squeezing boat A around the wrong side -- why squeeze when you already have got him/her on handicap bad person!!. I am sorry to say this but if you just squeezed because you could,bear in mind that the boat A properbly knows that he/she F**ked that up & rubbing his /her nose in it will not inprove relations.Also he/she may well now decide to push you round the long way when ever they can so enjoy the fruits of your labours.
, ------------- Phantom 1181 AC-227 IC 304 blaze / halo 586 |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 18 Jul 07 at 6:17am
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Hi Bert Sorry mate wrong way around. He had already got me on handicap, but you are still right - I did it because I could!! That said, in all probability, he have done the same if reversed, so all fair there. Sailing against the same people every week allows you to develop an understanding of these who is going to do what ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 18 Jul 07 at 10:00am
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In that situation is it worth it? You can't beat him anyway so why potentially screw his race up? I'd have let him in i'm afraid. In proper class racing however i'd be far more ruthless. |
Posted By: craig-m
Date Posted: 19 Jul 07 at 3:42pm
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I was the Laser in question... i misjudged how close the flying 15 (contender 541) was to the layline and thought i could cross his bow then tack and finish. I'm not sure about the 2BL, was more botherd about being able to tack out the way when i realised how close i was to the commitee boat. My bow must have been inches from the safety moored up to the committee boat It has always been a rule that i've never understood however, so the same rules apply as at a mark of the course...2BL, water etc...? ------------- RS300 406 http://www.dysailing.com - DERBYSHIRE YOUTH SAILING http://www.burtonsailingclub.co.uk - Burton Sailing CLub Sailing: The only sport that's called off for nice weather |
Posted By: bert
Date Posted: 19 Jul 07 at 7:23pm
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HI Craig If you are to coach & do all this month`s sailing Now would be a good time to check up on sailing rules thread - the Island Barn page is good & simple. ( 4 weeks of sailing and coaching for me coming up NSSA regatta in Plymouth next week, then straight to Weymouth to coach at the Opi Nats, then back home again to coach at my club for a week, then back to Weymouth again for the Laser nats I am doing the Vareo nat`s at Netley OR i may just party for 4 day`s unsure at the moment i think i may just be Very Happy to be back in Blighty!! All i want to do right at this moment is get back to the UK,flight on Monday Nat`s on Friday,whole load of sh!te to do in the interium. Have Fun,Enjoy
------------- Phantom 1181 AC-227 IC 304 blaze / halo 586 |
Posted By: craig-m
Date Posted: 19 Jul 07 at 9:07pm
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Now I know about that rule Found out all the other rules when i was in the national squad so perfectly happen with them. BTW Stuart...you'll have Matt for company in Bala as im not crewing for my dad at that event. Enjoy! ------------- RS300 406 http://www.dysailing.com - DERBYSHIRE YOUTH SAILING http://www.burtonsailingclub.co.uk - Burton Sailing CLub Sailing: The only sport that's called off for nice weather |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 20 Jul 07 at 6:17am
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If Matt's crewing for your dad, is Wendie crewing for Chris? ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: craig-m
Date Posted: 20 Jul 07 at 1:07pm
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Yep Looks like you've got an extra drinking buddy. Have you booked your camping? ------------- RS300 406 http://www.dysailing.com - DERBYSHIRE YOUTH SAILING http://www.burtonsailingclub.co.uk - Burton Sailing CLub Sailing: The only sport that's called off for nice weather |