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    Posted: 15 Feb 07 at 9:26pm
Here is one for you

Friend of a colleague in Uk, ex fireball sailor wants to maybe get into keel boats but worried about OD fleets. Which is an affordable 'racer-sleeper' with a quality OD fleet and nationals(i.e. forget mumm30s farr40s etc etc)

Based in Aberdeen, but willing to do weekends on solent or clyde or any 'easyjetly' place.

X332 would be in price range (up to £80k syndicate)




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Strictly, the X332 isn't an OD.

Sigma/33 ,Sigma/38 or how about a J/80 and use the money you save to sleep in a hotel? Really, the OD scene is livelier at the smaller "non-sleeper" end.

 

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I've raced Sigma 33's and they would defo fit the bill.  There's a good fleet on the clyde and some really competitive racing.  Normally a good fleet at Scottish Series / West Highland Week, and when I was at Cork for the nationals there were 70!  A few years ago now right enough.

Other option is the First 30.7.  There are several of them racing the Scottish circuit, and they are virtually a OD.  Also a bit more modern than a Sigma.

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hi there.

First 30.7  possibly you mean First 31.7.

If so, then they are not 'strictly' one-design. 

Sailing last summer,  I watched the fleet racing where I sailed.  For  the size  OD  boat you're looking for  a Sigma 33 would be great.  These are definitely one-design. - sails/mast/keels/hulls  are the same.

Also a good cruising boat if you're not racing.

31.7s  can have different sails for definite and I believe also they can be fitted with  different  keels,.   so they don't  'really' qualify as one-design.    (don't know if they have different masts) Thet are certainly a more modern boat.  Possibly more popular but also more expensive.

If you can afford a 31.7 also have a look at elan333 -  nice boat,  sail well, but aren't OD.

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What about the X 332? Where are the fleets?

 

The bloke can easy jet to the south and comes from somewhere south of brum anway

I see the sigma clyde fleet is way down, with dublin bay buying some of the boats. getting pretty tired the well raced examples now, even some of the later builds.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 07 at 6:23am

There isn't much in the way of an X332 fleet any more. The have a Solent-based nationals. There was a Cowes Week class with just 8 entries so I wouldn't count on their having one in 2007. 4 boats in the Hamble Winter Series, whereas 4-5 years ago they were in the high teens. There are also a small number on the E coast but no fleet racing AFAIK.



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Yeah, I think I did mean the first 31.7.  They look like really nice boats.  I haven't seen down stairs on one, but I imagine they are fairly spacious since they're a modern shape.  Easy as comfortable as a slightly larger but older design.  They also seem to sail well and they are certainly quick.  We sailed against some at Scottish Series in a 33.5ft boat and struggled to stay ahead. Re. the OD status you're right they do allow diff. sail, spar manufacturers etc. but that isn't unusual really.

The X332's also look nice and maybe there are some deals on second hand ones if the fleets are dropping off?  Look really sweet with kevlar sails etc.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote damp_freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 07 at 7:48pm

I have to kind of echo your point on the sigma 33, but there seems a destinct lack of one design above 29 ft for the average pocket.

I think the 333/332 possible one design development at the time of introduction split many owners out of X99s, sigmas, contessa 32s etc.

Otherwise it all got so dear that they are in SBs.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 07 at 6:19am

Have you ever been an owner, Freddie? Or have you ever regularly organised crew on a bigger boat? X332 = crew of eight to be competitive. Finding seven other people every time you want to sail becomes a chore very quickly.

Compare that with an SB3, or even a J//80 or 707. Less money, less hassle, bigger fleet racing, fast responsive boats. Spend some of the money you save on hotels instead of sleeping on the boat. Why do you want a boat with beds in order to race W/L or round the cans, which is what most people want these days? Want to cruise once or twice a year? Charter a boat somewhere sunny.

I know plenty of people who own sportsboats not because they can't afford bigger but because they have been there, done that and don't want the hassle anymore.

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote KennyR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 07 at 12:41pm

One design keelboat in Scotland? On the Clyde? That usually means "I'll have one design and you have another". With the honourable exceptions of sigma 33's, snotties and bits of the Forth it just doesn't happen up here.

Don't know why really. The Clyde was really big on one design classes donkeys ago.

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