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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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The picture on the Y&Y home page http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/photos/?s=64&PID=11221 (it's a BIG Cat rounding a mark whilst flying a hull) started me thinking. If a Cat is coming to a mark and realises they may hit it, so intentionally lifts a hull over it does this still constitute a mark rounding? Not a major advantage I wouldn't have thought unless it's light airs and then it could be risky, but the question needs answering. Edited by Matt Jackson |
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far canal ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 06 Location: Micronesia Online Status: Offline Posts: 110 |
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Why the hell not ? Never trapezed over a mark when rounding ???
same thing.
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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same as flying a wing (in say a 18 foot skiff) No problem, just can be risky ! |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I agree...if you have wings/multiple hulls it is ok as long as you don't hit the mark. The problem is that if you are that tight on entry to the rounding you are going to be sooooooo wide on the exit.
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far canal ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 06 Location: Micronesia Online Status: Offline Posts: 110 |
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or lifting a long tiller extension over the top
Sometimes at a gates for eg you can be passing marks and fly hulls , tiller extensions, bodies ,wings etc over a mark, as going in straight line no in tight out wide
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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Except that wings, bodies and tiller extensions are not in contact with the water in the normal sailing position ie 90% of the time. (Not sure that's true in my case but you get my drift). There's a difference between a part of the boat that's not normally in the water going clear over and deliberately lifting a bit over it that is 'normally' in the water. What about a big tri putting one outrigger the wrong side because it's out of the water? Edited by Matt Jackson |
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Strawberry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1337 |
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What about if there was a really big trimaran, and really little marks, and the tri sailed right over the top of the mark between the hulls, but didn't actually hit it.
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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I think you could argue that using the "string" concept, that the boat had not completed the course. Generally in order to fly the hull over a mark, I would need the plate out too ! And the plate (fully down) draws about 1000mm so I'd not attempt it. Would be possible in something with skegs like a Sprint 15, but as I said above it's a very risky plan. |
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far canal ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 06 Location: Micronesia Online Status: Offline Posts: 110 |
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is a tris windward float "normally" in the water ?????
not unless the designer made an *rse of it ! |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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AFAIK the RRS does not define what consitutes the "boat" in this context. What about a keelboat that rounds the windward mark heeling so that the upper mast section on the "wrong" side of a vertical line through the mark. That is a perfectly feasible situation. Nobody would say they had not rounded the mark properly. |
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