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    Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 1:04pm

The picture on the Y&Y home page http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/photos/?s=64&PID=11221 (it's a BIG Cat rounding a mark whilst flying a hull) started me thinking. If a Cat is coming to a mark and realises they may hit it, so intentionally lifts a hull over it does this still constitute a mark rounding?

Not a major advantage I wouldn't have thought unless it's light airs and then it could be risky, but the question needs answering.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote far canal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 1:42pm

Why the hell not ?

Never trapezed over a mark when rounding ???

 

same thing.

 

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same as flying a wing (in say a 18 foot skiff)

No problem, just can be risky !

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I agree...if you have wings/multiple hulls it is ok as long as you don't hit the mark. The problem is that if you are that tight on entry to the rounding you are going to be sooooooo wide on the exit.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote far canal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 4:01pm

or lifting a long tiller extension over the top

 

Sometimes at a gates for eg you can be passing marks and fly hulls  , tiller extensions, bodies ,wings etc over a mark,  as going in straight line no in tight out wide

 



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Except that wings, bodies and tiller extensions are not in contact with the water in the normal sailing position ie 90% of the time. (Not sure that's true in my case but you get my drift).

There's a difference between a part of the boat that's not normally in the water going clear over and deliberately lifting a bit over it that is 'normally' in the water.

What about a big tri putting one outrigger the wrong side because it's out of the water?



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What about if there was a really big trimaran, and really little marks, and the tri sailed right over the top of the mark between the hulls, but didn't actually hit it.
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Originally posted by Strawberry

What about if there was a really big trimaran, and really little marks, and the tri sailed right over the top of the mark between the hulls, but didn't actually hit it.

 

I think you could argue that using the "string" concept, that the boat had not completed the course. 

Generally in order to fly the hull over a mark, I would need the plate out too !  And the plate (fully down) draws about 1000mm so I'd not attempt it.

Would be possible in something with skegs like a Sprint 15, but as I said above it's a very risky plan.  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote far canal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 9:39am

is a tris windward float "normally" in the water ?????

 

not unless the designer made an *rse of it !

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 10:17am

Originally posted by Scooby_simon

I think you could argue that using the "string" concept, that the boat had not completed the course.

AFAIK the RRS does not define what consitutes the "boat" in this context.

What about a keelboat that rounds the windward mark heeling so that the upper mast section on the "wrong" side of a vertical line through the mark. That is a perfectly feasible situation. Nobody would say they had not rounded the mark properly. 

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