OCS rule?

A right-of-way boat, or one sailing within the room or mark-room to which she is entitled, is exonerated for breaking rule 14 if the contact does not cause damage or injury.

   I am given to believe that if you are caught OCS that you are entitled to all due consideration under the rules until (or when) you return to start correctly. Is there a specific rule that covers this?

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Sapspec8650 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 15 Jul 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sapspec8650 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: OCS rule? Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 11:50am
	I am given to believe that if you are caught OCS that you are entitled to all due consideration under the rules until (or when) you return to start correctly. Is there a specific rule that covers this?

PeterG Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822	Post Options Post Reply Quote PeterG Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 12:20pm
	The short answer is no 21.1 A boat sailing towards the pre-start side of the starting line or one of its extensions after her starting signal to start or to comply with rule 30.1 shall keep clear of a boat not doing so until her hull is completely on the pre-start side. You are covered by the normal rules until you have turned back, but once turned you have to keep out of the way. There are additional complications for example with a black flag start, where you are simply disqualified.
	Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59

Sapspec8650 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 15 Jul 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sapspec8650 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 12:32pm
	So, PeterG to advance - If I am OCS, but ignorant of that fact & carry on racing, if I luff an overtaking boat (legally) & there is contact and .... I finish the race (with no sound signal crossing the line) can I protest even if I had never been legally in the race? All hypothetical you understand!

Brass Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brass Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 12:54pm
	Case 1 Rule 60.1, Right to Protest; Right to Request Redress or Rule 69 Action Rule 63.1, Hearings: Requirement for a Hearing A boat that breaks a rule while racing but continues to race may protest over a later incident, even though after the race she is disqualified for her breach.

PeterG Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822	Post Options Post Reply Quote PeterG Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 3:52pm
	The rule says you have to give way when you are returning to the statrt line - to recross. So if you are unaware you were OCS and continue in the race normal rules apply.
	Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59

Brass Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brass Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 11:26pm
	Rule 21 and Case 1, like the RRS in general, take no notice of a boat's state of mind, awareness or intention. They just consider what boats actually do. Sapspec: You certainly were 'in' the race. You were entered, you came to the starting area, you sailed about in the racing area intending to racd, and from your preparatory signal, you were 'racing' in accordance with the definition in the RRS.

Sapspec8650 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 15 Jul 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sapspec8650 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Aug 21 at 9:27am
	PeterG & Brass - thank you for your contributions I shall share your knowledge!

andymck Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397	Post Options Post Reply Quote andymck Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 21 at 8:30pm
	Although you may have also just admitted to a rule 14 breach as well. The damage clause has been removed. SECTION B GENERAL LIMITATIONS 14 AVOIDING CONTACT A boat shall avoid contact with another boat if reasonably possible. However, a right-of-way boat, or one sailing within the room or mark-room to which she is entitled, need not act to avoid contact until it is clear that the other boat is not keeping clear or giving room or mark-room.
	Andy Mck

Brass Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brass Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 21 at 10:46pm
	C'mon Andymck, Exoneration for no injury or damage is still there, it has been moved to rule 43.1(c) A right-of-way boat, or one sailing within the room or mark-room to which she is entitled, is exonerated for breaking rule 14 if the contact does not cause damage or injury.

andymck Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397	Post Options Post Reply Quote andymck Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 21 at 11:24pm
	Another rewrite to make it harder to understand Having the exoneration in 14 was clearer. Interesting to see that some senior umpires have ignored 43.1at two events I have been at this year. Though what constitutes damage is a moot point anyway. A scuff? A scratch? A crunch? A hole? I would say all of those as I end up fixing them on our boats.
	Andy Mck