When is a class dead?

   Seems there are many classes that don't seem to gain critical mass ... they then seem to go through various end of life activities.
When should we consider a class dead???

When they stop building new ones?
When the CA is no longer?
When they can get more than say, 30 at the nationals?

... and which classes would we consider now dead?

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Old Timer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370	Post Options Post Reply Quote Old Timer Report Post Quote Reply Topic: When is a class dead? Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 2:37pm
	Seems there are many classes that don't seem to gain critical mass ... they then seem to go through various end of life activities. When should we consider a class dead??? When they stop building new ones? When the CA is no longer? When they can get more than say, 30 at the nationals? ... and which classes would we consider now dead?

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 4:35pm
	No builder, no CA, no meet ups of any sort. Otherwise, it isn't dead, just sailed by a select few enthusiasts!
	Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686

turnturtle Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538	Post Options Post Reply Quote turnturtle Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 4:35pm
	It’s all a matter of conjecture... ask me a year ago and I would have assumed (wrongly) the RS600 dead- killed by the holy trinity of better skiffs, a false foray into foiling and the age old issue of it being a complete pig to sail without commitment.... however they are now attracting circuit numbers greater than that of some of the more popular RS classes to have graced these fora ... no fat lady has sung yet it seems.

Sam.Spoons Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sam.Spoons Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 5:11pm
	Not until it no longer gets the occasional mention on these forums Now about the Spice.......
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423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 5:46pm
	Was the Minisail CA largest class to collapse ?

turnturtle Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538	Post Options Post Reply Quote turnturtle Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 5:53pm
	Mini sail is still going strong enough thanks to Rupert. A class is normally dead when Graeme buys in...

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 6:02pm
	I am a member of current class association, I am talking about original CA. Agree regarding Rupert, in the few months he has taken a back seat, class ceased to function, no Nationals, website gone etc.

NickM99 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 26 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 145	Post Options Post Reply Quote NickM99 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 7:29pm
	A class is dying or dead when it appears in the RYA historic Portsmouth Number List...

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 8:13pm
	I think all attempts to make hard categories are probably doomed. Consider the Thames Raters. Probably less than 25 have been built over the last 115 years, and they are only really sailed at two clubs. I don't know they've ever qualified for a published Portsmouth number. But there's no way I'd describe them as a dead class. Edited by JimC - 22 Sep 17 at 8:17pm

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Sep 17 at 9:39pm
	Minisail was kept alive by a chap called David who put a website together long before it was commonplace to do so, which drew in several of us who were looking for other people daft enough to still sail them. Through the cvrda we put meetings together, which is still happening now. We found that there were enthusiasts in Belgium, one of whom had even built a new boat. They came to play too, which meant we had enough boats to actually call something a Nationals. David has certainly visited Belgium to sail, as well. Many owners have gone on to own other boats too, and this is one reason why it is difficult to gather the sailors together in one place in Minisails. My role has been mainly to blather on about them on places like this, do some coaching and provide some advice on getting boats back onto the water. My current project, a yellow decked boat destined to be called Minion, is going to be used as a stand up paddle board as well as a sailing dinghy. A nice new sail is on its way from Ian Morgan, and I'm currently sorting out rudders, boards, fittings etc, all as they were back then, but hopefully tweaked so they work. The original CA did implode, it seems, which shows that a CA and a design of boat aren't one and the same thing. Another example, I've owned 5 Tonic dinghies over the years. Great fun to sail, a real tippy blast in a blow, and as a dinghy I loved them, till my knees hurt too much. But there never was a CA, as far as I'm aware.
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