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    Posted: 07 Oct 16 at 6:39pm
Which is preferred ? Do people travel to class run regattas and opens to get away from the handicap racing many clubs have?
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Nope. Do whichever one suits. Most of the opens I've done over the last 15 years have been using handicaps anyway.
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Class Racing for me.  Can't stand the lottery of handicap racing.  The club I sail at is far from the closest club to home, but it does offer tight class racing.  I do the open meeting circuit, but that is for a change of scenery (both water and people) and for the challenge.
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I'd rather just go out and train than race on handicap, most of the time. Handicap gives you all the bad things of racing, without the interesting parts. Just IMHO, and oddly enough it doesn't apply to all forms of sailing; in yachts I can handle handicap racing. 
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Originally posted by Chris 249

in yachts I can handle handicap racing. 

I'm not a yottie but I suspect there is much less one design racing in keelboats compared to dinghies, is most yacht class racing more like dinghy development classes?
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I don't care either way. Doing either means I'm out sailing and therefore enjoying myself. I get far more annoyed by crap conditions and badly organised race courses than whether the race is in a fleet or on py
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I think a mix is good. Fleet racing is obviously the best means of determining absolutely where you stand - in your class. But its also good to get in the mix with other classes, meet people outside your own class, sail varied courses, and just see how other classes perform. And at the end of the day, the cream in each class usually rises to the top. And some of the best class racing I've had has actually been in handicap fleets.
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No contest - class racing. 
Have to accept that PY judges how well you performed against the averaged performances of a subset of the sailors who sailed in all the classes you are sailing against - not how well you sailed.
 But it's still better than not racing! 
Training is different again, process focused, without the edge from competition.
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No contest - Handicap racing.
In class racing, once you've reached your level, you're against the same 2 or 3 people week in week out - tedious and processional IMO.
But then I'm just out there to enjoy the sailing in my boat of choice, I'm not interested in who gets the chocolates.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by Chris 249

in yachts I can handle handicap racing. 

I'm not a yottie but I suspect there is much less one design racing in keelboats compared to dinghies, is most yacht class racing more like dinghy development classes?

The tightest OD racing seems to be in keelboats such as XODs, Etchells, Dragons, Squibs.etc etc...
There is OD racing and level racing in bigger yachts too.
The big OD fleets like Sigma 38s are not what they were.

Ratings work better in yachts though, they tend to be split into fairly narrow bands of comparable yachts.
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