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Henmch ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 Dec 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
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morning,
Whilst sailing yesterday there was a storm in the distance with thunder and lightning. As I wasn't doing well in the race I took the opportunity to retire but most of the other sailors carried on. I was actually quite surprised that racing wasn't abandoned. I know you don't hear about many dinghies being hit by lightning but I cannot imagine a wetsuit would insulate you very well. Golf matches are always abandoned when there is a hint of lightning! I'm wondering what other clubs do in a situation like this
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I'm living testament to the fact that lightning strikes on the water are survivable and not only the once but contrary to popular sentiment, twice. Once at Grafham water where along with the entire fleet (of windsurfers) I was stunned briefly by a bolt hitting a tree on the nearby lee shore.
The second time, more recently and more spectacularly, rather like when the Emporer was zapping Luke Skywalker and all those blue flashes were all over him. That was exactly what happened as my glassed flew from my head in a shower of sparks, the crackles of blue light went all over me and I was knocked into the water it felt like extreme pins and needles briefly, but the wet suit acted like a Faradays cage (look it up it's what happens in cars and airplanes). I think there would be less contact in a dinghy since we're not holding onto the boom as we do windsurfing. |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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We kept all the kids on shore during our recent cadet week for half a day due to warnings of lightning.
We have also postponed racing before when there is a storm in the area. Never had a race abandoned in progress though.
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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I was once told that if you're not holding anything metal (i.e tiller extension), if the mast gets hit by lightning then it might make a hole in the bottom of the boat but you should be OK. Wouldn't want to test it though.
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Jamie600 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 14 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 718 |
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Andy Rice wrote in his column a few years ago on this subject, apparantly carbon masts can explode if hit by lightning whereas a metal mast should conduct the charge down through the hull to be absorbed by the water.
As you say, I wouldn't want to test either of those cases.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Interestingly I was watching a programme last night on how they proofed carbon composite planes against lightning strike and they have to use a micro copper mesh to channel the current, or as you say the electricity breaks up the fibres.
My mast was carbon, but with a wet luff sleeve covering it which must have routed the current. I would have thought by now, there would have been a death in sail boats, they've been around long enough. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Think that's a crucial point. Sailors are usually well aware of where the clouds are going, and an isolated thunderstorm tens of miles cross wind or downwind is probably not a major concern. If there's one upwind or within about ten miles in any direction, its another matter, and abandonment may well be sensible. One interesting point is that my understanding is the most dangerous place to be is *in* the water. Edited by JimC - 14 Jun 16 at 11:37am |
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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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Nature has seen fit to twice subject you to ECT.
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Time Lord ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Dec 13 Location: Warwickshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 301 |
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" wet suit acted like a Faradays cage (look it up it's what happens in cars and airplanes). I think there would be less contact in a dinghy since we're not holding onto the boom as we do windsurfing."
Doubt that your wetsuit would act as a Faraday cage as this has to be metal and conduct electricity. More likely the neoprene acted as an insulator and protected you in that way. Not sure whether the shrouds, mast and boom on a conventional dinghy would act as a Faraday but certainly possible. A few years ago I did a web search for reports of dinghy sailors being hit by lightning but could find no reports. By the way, carbon fibre conducts electricity almost as well as aluminium. |
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iiiiticki ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 16 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 206 |
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Personally I am too good a person to be 'smote by lightning', God reserves that for the sinners in our midst, but when I was a young lad sailing models he came close. Lightning struck the brass knob of a concrete drinking fountain on Clapham Common not ten feet away! Gave me a shock I can tell you...bet it killed the 1950's bacteria though!
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