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    Posted: 09 Feb 16 at 11:11am
What a load of rubbish, surely there is a better solution to comply with the law. The whole point of a combi trailer is that you can quickly slide the boat on, tie down and off you go.
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They are quick to use. Just remember the slide the lighting board arms in.

My 2p is that they are a extra hassle but as a lot of people ignored/flouted the lighting laws there was no real choice but to change the law.
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Think we need more info on your problem with them. Is it the new lightning board arrangement? If so, I find it quicker and easier than having to attach a lightning board to the back of the boat.


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If the law is/was being flouted the solution is to enforce it, not to introduce a new, more onerous law. The conscientious among us will conform while those that didn't obey the previous will ignore the new.

In my example, the whole rig is very low and the axle is ~8' from the transom, so I would potentially have 8' of unsupported 15-20mm galvanised tube to hang the lighting board from less than 10" off the floor. Alternatively, the lighting board will be under the boat by some feet and invisible. Great solution - NOT! Add in the crawling around to slide the thing in & out and the potential for the fixings to loosen & the whole thing to slide out / bounce around is a nightmare. How the manufacturers get enough range in the slide is a mystery, given that most combi's are 'A'-Frame...

The new law only applies to trailers built after Xxxx anyway so the vast majority of non-compliance will not be affected.

I have no wish to be shunted up the rear because the rig is not properly lit, so will continue to hang a properly functioning lighting board into the transom.
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My problem is you have to detached it in the sailing club car park and put it somewhere whilst you get the boat off the trailer. Then pick it back up put it on the trailer whilst you sail then repeat at the end of the day. That bolted on bit is massive
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Originally posted by salmon80

My problem is you have to detached it in the sailing club car park and put it somewhere whilst you get the boat off the trailer. Then pick it back up put it on the trailer whilst you sail then repeat at the end of the day. That bolted on bit is massive

But you still had to do most of these things with an old system, plus which unless you had a transom fitting on your lighting board, it meant loads of knots to undo.

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I have a transom fitting thing, its quick and supports the mast which I guess means you need the same thing still but without lights

also where do you store it whilst the boat is at a club? I keep my boat on the combi in the boatpark as I have no garage so every week I'd need to take it off and on
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AIUI, Combi trailers should have been exempt as special purpose under the EU directive, but our numpty gov't did its usual.

What we are currently getting is poor design, a quick bodge using mostly existing parts.
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When the 'n' metres of insufficiently engineered lighting support eventually fails .. as some surely will with age the whole bloody thing becomes a total road hazard. 

What on earth was wrong with simply revising/reinforcing the regulations to require mounting a lighting board adaquately on the back of the load/boat ?  Did that obligation not exist already ?  Looks like a cobbled bit of regulation put together by people who have insufficient engineering/design experience or expertise that addresses 'the problem' by 1) increasing complexity 2) increasing cost 3) increasing inconvenience for all 3) wastes resources 4) makes boat trailing potentially MORE hazardous to road users. 

Where were 'our' representatives ? ... er the 'RYA' would have seemed appropriate to represent us when you needed them ... Did anyone think about it in that corner ?

Anyway - seeing this complete c*ck-up coming along a way back I made sure I had a personal 10" wheeled 'traditional' combi base in good time .. and it will be maintained to the point if necessary when there is only 1% left from the original.  It WILL last me a lifetime  ! 

My advise if you have not got a 'decent' (ie traditional) combi - buy a good used one asap before the prices soar !

A last thought .. anyone fancy fighting the case when a 'new style' lighting bar suffers metal fatigue after bouncing up and down for 'n' million cycles, drops off and goes through the windscreen of another car ?  .... Oh yeah - it will surely have been up to  the owner to 'adequately maintain' the useless things of course.
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