Another What about the Crew thread

Shouldn't there be at least some mention of these being 2 person boats?

   http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/180785/International-14-family-reunite

Shouldn't there be at least some mention of these being 2 person boats?

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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Another What about the Crew thread Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 9:13am
	http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/180785/International-14-family-reunite Shouldn't there be at least some mention of these being 2 person boats?
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PeterG Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822	Post Options Post Reply Quote PeterG Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 9:29am
	Shouldn't there be at least some mention of these being 2 person boats? Bit bizarre really, though I did manage to find "crew" referred to once in the article. But, hey, we all know all crews do is get in the way and pull the odd bit of string - don't we?
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gordon1277 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665	Post Options Post Reply Quote gordon1277 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:04am
	The RYA ignore there existence so not surprising everybody else does! Should there not be level 1, 2 and 3 etc in dinghy crewing courses as not everybody wants to helm at the start. I think we loose lots of kids who would just like to crew for the first couple of years and may then progress onto helming as the Cadet and Mirrors used to do. Sorry to hijack but crewing is just as important as helming. Gordon (I crewed for 20 years before starting to helm in racing)
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iiiitick Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 18 Dec 14 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 43	Post Options Post Reply Quote iiiitick Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:50am
	When I crewed my Tasar last year with a young lady helming I enjoyed every moment. To be honest if there was a suitable helm out there for me I would go back to it but times have changed.

iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:56am
	It's just a stupid expression 'crew' when we sail boards two up or 'tandem' there's no crew, there are just two sailors and both get equal rating as should be the case in boats. No way a helm alone makes for the result at any half decent level of racing. They are just two sailors and both should be equally recognised. Edited by iGRF - 06 Jan 15 at 10:58am
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davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 11:25am
	Very noticeable looking at a lot of the winter event results on Y&Y how many more Singlehanders there are to Doublehanders. From my perspective I would much rather sail a doublehander for social and performance reasons, but there is nothing more depressing than watching a race going on when you cannot get a crew ... which is why I most often sail a Solo. I really really think that part of the problem is due to the transition from teens to early twenties. We have a predominantly singlehanded youth culture, forty years ago it was predominantly two handed with Cadets and Mirrors being the dominant classes. Also far more kids leave home to go to University and therefore the natural progression to crewing or helming single handers is lost. I still regularly race against many of the sailors who I learnt to sail with in Mirrors over 40 years ago, many of us never stopped dinghy sailing, were happy to sail anything that looked interesting, and were happy to be at the front end or the back end (or on the rail). Not sure if we can ever recreate that situation, but I think something rotten has emerged Oppy/Topper Squad based training. Though some of it is Socio/Economic which is unsolvable at a micro level.
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zippyRN Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437	Post Options Post Reply Quote zippyRN Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 1:43pm
	it's a historical attitude dating from when the crew were hired help and the gentleman helmsman / tactician/ owner was 'the man'

The Moo Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 01 Jun 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 809	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Moo Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 2:21pm
	This thread serves as a timely reminder that our Club needs a reminder that both people in a double handed boat should get equal recognition particularly when the choccies are being handed out. Interestingly I do not have too many problems when my regular crew is not available. With a little notice I can usually call upon one of around 5 other people at our club who normally sail singlehanded boats to crew for me. They always seem quite keen to have the opportunity sail a different boat. I kid myself that people want to crew for me because of my stunning good looks, personality natural wit and talent but clearly that is more Fuller's department I guess the real reason is the boat. Most people can get into the front end of a two sail hiker without any "special" crewing skills and make a positive contribution to the overall performance. The boat is also a bit quicker than the boats that the reserve crews usually sail so perhaps provides a bit more exitement for a change. I think at Club level we really do need to nuture the positives of double handed sailing.

Happilyover40 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 04 Jun 10 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Happilyover40 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 2:26pm
	As the parent of a teenage who has sailed/trained in the RYA Regional Squads, my daughter loved sailing Toppers then progressed to 420's and 29ers and enjoyed every moment of them as a helm and a crew but the hard part is finding and keeping a partner when school work/exams get in the way of practice and racing. She had 2 partners in the 420 and 1 in the 29er and now happily sails a Laser. She can decide when to train, when to race and more importantly when studying takes priority.

Null Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745	Post Options Post Reply Quote Null Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 2:41pm
	My particular favourite is when Double handers have to pay a higher entry fee at open events only for the crews name to be excluded from results. Harsh!