Another What about the Crew thread
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Topic: Another What about the Crew thread
Posted By: Rupert
Subject: Another What about the Crew thread
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 9:13am
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/180785/International-14-family-reunite
Shouldn't there be at least some mention of these being 2 person boats?
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 9:29am
Shouldn't there be at least some mention of these being 2 person boats?
Bit bizarre really, though I did manage to find "crew" referred to once in the article.
But, hey, we all know all crews do is get in the way and pull the odd bit of string - don't we?
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:04am
The RYA ignore there existence so not surprising everybody else does!
Should there not be level 1, 2 and 3 etc in dinghy crewing courses as not everybody wants to helm at the start. I think we loose lots of kids who would just like to crew for the first couple of years and may then progress onto helming as the Cadet and Mirrors used to do.
Sorry to hijack but crewing is just as important as helming.
Gordon (I crewed for 20 years before starting to helm in racing)
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Posted By: iiiitick
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:50am
When I crewed my Tasar last year with a young lady helming I enjoyed every moment. To be honest if there was a suitable helm out there for me I would go back to it but times have changed.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:56am
It's just a stupid expression 'crew' when we sail boards two up or 'tandem' there's no crew, there are just two sailors and both get equal rating as should be the case in boats.
No way a helm alone makes for the result at any half decent level of racing.
They are just two sailors and both should be equally recognised.
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 11:25am
Very noticeable looking at a lot of the winter event results on Y&Y how many more Singlehanders there are to Doublehanders.
From my perspective I would much rather sail a doublehander for social and performance reasons, but there is nothing more depressing than watching a race going on when you cannot get a crew ... which is why I most often sail a Solo.
I really really think that part of the problem is due to the transition from teens to early twenties. We have a predominantly singlehanded youth culture, forty years ago it was predominantly two handed with Cadets and Mirrors being the dominant classes. Also far more kids leave home to go to University and therefore the natural progression to crewing or helming single handers is lost.
I still regularly race against many of the sailors who I learnt to sail with in Mirrors over 40 years ago, many of us never stopped dinghy sailing, were happy to sail anything that looked interesting, and were happy to be at the front end or the back end (or on the rail).
Not sure if we can ever recreate that situation, but I think something rotten has emerged Oppy/Topper Squad based training. Though some of it is Socio/Economic which is unsolvable at a micro level.
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Posted By: zippyRN
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 1:43pm
it's a historical attitude dating from when the crew were hired help and the gentleman helmsman / tactician/ owner was 'the man'
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Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 2:21pm
This thread serves as a timely reminder that our Club needs a reminder that both people in a double handed boat should get equal recognition particularly when the choccies are being handed out.
Interestingly I do not have too many problems when my regular crew is not available. With a little notice I can usually call upon one of around 5 other people at our club who normally sail singlehanded boats to crew for me. They always seem quite keen to have the opportunity sail a different boat.
I kid myself that people want to crew for me because of my stunning good looks, personality natural wit and talent but clearly that is more Fuller's department
I guess the real reason is the boat. Most people can get into the front end of a two sail hiker without any "special" crewing skills and make a positive contribution to the overall performance. The boat is also a bit quicker than the boats that the reserve crews usually sail so perhaps provides a bit more exitement for a change.
I think at Club level we really do need to nuture the positives of double handed sailing.
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Posted By: Happilyover40
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 2:26pm
As the parent of a teenage who has sailed/trained in the RYA Regional Squads, my daughter loved sailing Toppers then progressed to 420's and 29ers and enjoyed every moment of them as a helm and a crew but the hard part is finding and keeping a partner when school work/exams get in the way of practice and racing. She had 2 partners in the 420 and 1 in the 29er and now happily sails a Laser. She can decide when to train, when to race and more importantly when studying takes priority.
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Posted By: Null
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 2:41pm
My particular favourite is when Double handers have to pay a higher entry fee at open events only for the crews name to be excluded from results. Harsh!
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 3:11pm
I assume doublehanders pay more when lunch is included?
Or is it the cost of the trophies?
Or just "because"?
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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 3:14pm
I think it's just one of the things we need to accept - double handers will continue to take a smaller slice of the pie in dinghy racing whilst there is so much free choice about what leisure actitivities we can participate in.
As a general rule of thumb, most people who are really, really in to dinghy racing tend to want to helm the boat. (I know there are some fantastic sailors who are exceptions to this... and its not meant as a dig). Therefore it stands to reason that if their is an imbalance of desire to go sailing in a 'traditional' club level partnership - husband wife, parent child etc that it makes sense to get two single handers.... assuming the less interested party hasn't found something else they'd rather be doing instead, in which case the second boat can soon become redundant.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 3:17pm
We certainly get more use from 2 Lightnings than from 1 Firefly - something I hope to change a bit this year, but it is a slightly sad fact.
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by Rupert
We certainly get more use from 2 Lightnings than from 1 Firefly - something I hope to change a bit this year, but it is a slightly sad fact.
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But will you be the one crewing?
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 4:30pm
I think sailing as crew with a good helm and vice versa is the single best means by which to learn, (as long as they are the sharing type).
For me sailing with a really good crew, experienced with years of boat handling is an absolute joy, but it is equally cool taking someone from nothing to the front of the fleet on occasion.
It really is dinghy sailings sad loss if two handers continue to vanish from the scene.
No question all my best sailing moments have been in double handers.
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 5:29pm
Can whoever kidnapped Grumph please return him. The poster on here is clearly an imposter - I agree with both his posts!!!
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 5:35pm
PeterG, I'm an ex Firefly crew, as I no longer bend well enough and none of my family want me at the front.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by gordon1277
The RYA ignore there existence so not surprising everybody else does!
Should there not be level 1, 2 and 3 etc in dinghy crewing courses as not everybody wants to helm at the start. I think we loose lots of kids who would just like to crew for the first couple of years and may then progress onto helming as the Cadet and Mirrors used to do.
Sorry to hijack but crewing is just as important as helming.
Gordon (I crewed for 20 years before starting to helm in racing) |
RYA Youth Stage 4, which has to be sailed in double handers, was introduced because it was felt there was a real need to address the decline in double handed sailing amongst juniors. I think the problem is the many clubs don't have the right sort if boats. You will typically get more use from toppers and oppies than you will from cadets or mirrors. I'm hoping this will change now second hand Fevas have come down in price and there are great training boats like the Hartley 12s coming through.
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Posted By: timeonthewater
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 9:04pm
Nessa has addressed a real need for a change in attitude, where there must be more emphasis and kudos on being a "super crew", gaining all round experience in a variety of boats being paramount, rather than just being another average club helm. You will never be short of a good ride or opportunity to crew some great dinghies and boats throughout your sailing lifetime. Once at Uni I realised I was just an average dinghy helm, compared to likes of Glynn Charles and Pistol Pete, I realised I had better start down this path and let the masters wiggle the stick, where i could contribute by slick crew work, fleet tactics and good weather eye. All good stuff
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 9:49pm
I'll go a little further than that: unless 'we' as a dinghy sailing community actively engage in/support double-handed sailing we will hasten the decline of our sport.
It's a bit like the birth rate - you clearly need more than one birth per pair of parents to sustain a population size.
Our club has a fleet of Picos all with jibs. They are almost always sailed with the jibs, with kids or adults sharing. Two or three up or more. Indeed sessions often end with the 'how many can you get on a Pico attempt'. 18 kids on a Pico which is neutrally bouyant about a foot under is something to behold.
But we as a family also insist that the kids sail singlehanded too. If not as the youngsters in the group they would miss out on the pleasure of taking others out.
Like sex sailing is much more fun when you do it with someone else.....
And you can not beat the 'comradeship' of facing wind and water together. Lovely 2.5 hour sail back from Emsworth with my 7 year old at the weekend. Pretty much us, the 2000 and the birds and seal. Great times.
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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:30pm
Regarding adults coming to sailing as green novices I think there is a social trend , some say malaise affecting things.
Namely the perceived need of a certificate for everything.
A novice arrives at a Club, gets directed to a course level 1 / 2 whatever. Learns to helm but gains really very little experience and then gets a single hander, with low confidence , few friends and unless a pretty determined person finds it difficult to get over the hump of that first season.
If the culture of a certificate for everything was less prevalent novices would be more likely to be offered or seek out crewing places. They then gain confidence and knowledge without even realising it, some may continue crewing and some may decide to forge new partnerships and begin helming.
This is not to say there is no place for training courses, that would be a ridiculous conclusion to draw from my comments. What I am saying is that there is more than one route into sailing and it is certainly not a case of one system suits all.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:31pm
Originally posted by sargesail
Like sex sailing is much more fun when you do it with someone else.... |
Which sadly proves my dinghy sailors are mostly t**sers theory then...
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Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 11:39pm
Haha
My background has always been in 2 man boats, as a child, in my teens and adulthood, but it was difficult to keep up due to my job (and letting my crew down).
I've written on here before that my lifetime's favourite sailing experience was at Sailfest '13 with my boy crewing with me in the Alto, so I do feel guilty in that I've encouraged him somewhat down the single handed route, partially due to his size, but also because there's a tacit encouragement through the squad system that experience as a helm now will help as a crew later if that's the route taken. The Yoof thoroughly enjoys crewing and has by no means ruled it out (FDs and 505s spring to mind), and I get the point about helming experience, but do you think this theory holds water (broadly)? I'd guess that Bart Simpson was the perfect example of this, but was he the exception to the rule?
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Posted By: iiiitick
Date Posted: 07 Jan 15 at 12:13am
Actually is does swing both ways. I had raced model yachts extensively and dinghies a bit (as a Sea Cadet) in my teens. We moved to this house twenty odd years ago which happens to be close to the sailing club. When the 'former boy' was seven he wanted a a go......He did and I tagged along crewing for members, him and his sister. At that time I was in my early 50's and keen to go racing. The easiest way to race was as crew and I never did bother with sitting at the back. I think I was about 64 when I decided to single hand and bought my first Lightning. To be honest that was too late, I can get round with reasonable efficiency after five years but fast I am not.
Now, I never regret my time crewing, Lark, Javelin, Tasar, it was great fun but in some ways I wish I had gone through the steeper learning curve of helming sooner.
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Posted By: timeonthewater
Date Posted: 07 Jan 15 at 9:30am
From my experience in smaller clubs, crewing attitudes differ from aspiring to become great crews or total disinterest with a focus of becoming helm in a singlehander. Clearly having a greater number of 2 man dinghies, (many of them high performance) than singlehanders in the club, together with inspirational helms driving the club ethos makes a huge difference. Crews are drawn to them like magnets, trying to glean sailing skills. Unfortunately appearing in 2 other clubs with a high performance 2 hander, trying to get a crew was near impossible as there were more singlehandeders than 2 man dinghies. There just simply wasn't the kudos, incentive or more importantly the skill base to draw upon, asymmetrical kite sailing was seen to be far too fast and intense...a Merlin with strings, way too complicated to understand and master. So-called experienced sailors with level 3, were way out of their comfort zone, and the path of least resistance always won, so they went down the club route of racing a cheap Laser, far more rewarding in the short term even if they plodded around at the back of the fleet. I'm watching the decline of 2 handed dinghy sailing I knew of my youth. Short-termism single-handed, fill up the boat park full of unused sun bleached Lasers, and the clubs wonder why the Socials are so poorly attended and no one in their mid 20's and 30's sailing.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 07 Jan 15 at 10:55am
I doubt there is a single recent adult person in our club that came with a certificate, certainly not the windsurfers who crossed over, the sailors probably have and the SI's obviously, Trev (my crew) certainly hasn't and i doubt the Merlin Boys do, never even thought of it. The only thing we actually tend to insist on certification is anything to do with engines and potential death weapon ribs.
Nobody would take it up if you had to have all that nonsense.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 07 Jan 15 at 3:31pm
If levels one, two and three are bing taught properly then the participants ought to be learning to helm AND crew, since these are mainly taught in double handers. Unfortunately not many clubs routinely offer the advanced modules such as Seamanship and Saling with Spinnakers where there is also an emphasis on teamwork and use of double handers.
Clubs should also offer casual, non certificate led sessions where participants can just turn up and sail with whoever is around, with informal instruction and advice from experienced sailors and instructors.
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Posted By: iiiitick
Date Posted: 07 Jan 15 at 4:27pm
I never done no trainin' never!
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 07 Jan 15 at 4:34pm
Me neither until I did my dinghy instructor course!
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Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 07 Jan 15 at 7:13pm
In the world of bigger boats, lots of people are sailing multi-handed.
Maybe in dinghies, the youth involvement in crewed boats will improve with aspirational boats like the 29er available?
TBH though, in much club level sailing, crews are not an equal partnership with the helm. Different story at the top sometimes. If you start 'recognising' crews too much, you can make the problems worse, quite a few helms don't have the same crew every day, we don't want them excluded from the results because they are not the same 'team' every weekend. It's bad enough that some classes create difficulties for people wanting to sail with different crews on different days of an open meeting.
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Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 07 Jan 15 at 10:56pm
Originally posted by winging it
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Ditto
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Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 08 Jan 15 at 12:50pm
Ditto ditto minus the instructor bit.
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 08 Jan 15 at 11:22pm
Its a good observation regarding certification.
I started sailing at the age of 4 crewing for my dad and never took part in any formal training. When I look at many of my peers or those in older generations typically they have no formal qualifications unless they have volunteered to become instructors or rescue boat crew or have done Coastal Skipper etc. to enable them to charter a boat in the med.
If I look at most new members to our local clubs they are joining to take part in an RYA course. There seems to be an appetite for some form of paperwork to enable them to look at their history of social activities as of course, next year they will ditch sailing and try paragliding for 2016 get their basic, I can fly solo qualification and then move on to surfing in 2017 where of course they will sign up for two residential courses (with certificates) from the Perranporth Surf School.
It seems that our nations working age population seem obsessed with generating a portfolio of documents to in someway improve the social section of their CV with no interest in finding a hobby for life.
Perhaps this is where pay to play centres need to focus, but this group of people seem less likely to have any real competitive drive outside of improving their careers through an improved CV and therefore there is little need to offer a competitive pay to play centre or is there?
I think existing sailing clubs tend to service the uber-competitive single hobby sailing junkie but if they run out of members with that mindset then really they have very little left to sustain themselves.
So I think it is inevitable that with an apparent shrinking number of competitive people willing to dedicate themselves to one or two hobbies, then some consolidation is inevitable. There are of course compromises to be made and what suits one person wont suit another. Around the North Bristol area we are blessed with a large number of local sailing clubs. We have all the Cotswold lakes (Whitefriars, South Cerney, Bowmoor etc.), Frampton on Severn, Chew Valley Lake, Bristol Corinthion, Thornbury, Portishead, Clevedon and they all offer different things.
I personally would get bored sailing on a small tree lined lake where each leg is so short that I dont even have time to properly set the boat up, but that type of location is great for my daughter to start helming on her own in safety. Venues like Chew and Axbridge tended to have die hard racers with great racing but they are a bit more sterile and other than the great racing what would you do there? At Thornbury we have pretty good racing, a relaxed atmosphere, Cruiser who race often with dinghy sailors as crew, opportunities to go sail off to places like Cardiff, Watchet, Swansea for weekends, and a fantastic venue for camping and enjoying the relaxed atmosphere. Portishead & Clevedon seem more relaxed, tending towards the serious racing but just a bit more easy going.
Ive been a member of, or involved with three of these clubs so I talk from some experience, but each clearly has its own defined niche, and each seems to be able to maintain numbers and attracts people looking for certain things. I know members of CVLSC who live 2miles away from Thornbury, and members of Thornbury who live within a few miles of CVLSC which just shows that people make their decisions based on far more than location and racing reputation.
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Posted By: iiiitick
Date Posted: 08 Jan 15 at 11:55pm
I do agree about this obsession with certificates. We have people training who plod through the course collecting paperwork but at the end still have little idea. My four children all went to university but only the 'Former Boy' who has a degree in Arboriculture is employed in a matching career. It is the way things are these days.....my daughter has a very good geography degree and is a fashion buyer in Copenhagen for heavens sake!
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 09 Jan 15 at 9:59am
Hi
I think since the disasters of Lyme and other incidents I think people are looking for places that teach them safely, and they think that if it is a national authority recognised course then it will be safer.
I cant blame people for wanting there kids to learn in a safe environment and if I was taking up hang gliding would I not want the same, of course.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 09 Jan 15 at 11:12am
I don't think people want the actual certificates, I think they want what they see as a fast and effective method of learning a new skill. Level 2 can (theoretically) get you up to the standard of being able to go away and hire a dinghy in any centre that accepts it. Most do.
Level 2, as it used to be known, now Basic Skills, should take a minimum of two days. The problem is that many centres sign people off simply for having been there, without actually considering whether or not they can actually independently do what is on the syllabus, what the certificate says they have achieved. So everyone gets misled about levels of competence.
I feel people should very much be encouraged to think of this ticket as a starting point, a grasp of the basics, like it says on the ticket, and firmly directed to more supervises sailing across a range of boats. What I'm saying I suppose is its in the ethos of the RTC, if they tell people they can sail T L2 then they may well be giving a false impression.
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Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 09 Jan 15 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by winging it
Level 2 can (theoretically) get you up to the standard of being able to go away and hire a dinghy in any centre that accepts it. Most do.
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It seems the risk averse, insurance obsessed world is demanding certificates for everything, which has surely rubbed off into sailing. Apart from an RYA Race Coach I don't have anything, but it is getting increasingly difficult to charter yachts without certs even though I was a Sunsail skipper 25 years ago (only need certs to teach RYA in those days), owned big boats up 44ft for over 15 years, sailed offshore including singlehanded etc. etc....
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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 09 Jan 15 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by winging it
I don't think people want the actual certificates, I think they want what they see as a fast and effective method of learning a new skill. Level 2 can (theoretically) get you up to the standard of being able to go away and hire a dinghy in any centre that accepts it. Most do.
Level 2, as it used to be known, now Basic Skills, should take a minimum of two days. The problem is that many centres sign people off simply for having been there, without actually considering whether or not they can actually independently do what is on the syllabus, what the certificate says they have achieved. So everyone gets misled about levels of competence.
I feel people should very much be encouraged to think of this ticket as a starting point, a grasp of the basics, like it says on the ticket, and firmly directed to more supervises sailing across a range of boats. What I'm saying I suppose is its in the ethos of the RTC, if they tell people they can sail T L2 then they may well be giving a false impression. |
One thing I have always thought. There are two clubs in my immediate area with very contrasting water.
One is a river club which is relatively sheltered and you rarely get anything near or above 'marginal planing' conditions. the other has a small lake which is beside the estuary where the wind seems to funnel off the Irish sea. Surely an L2 Certificate at one is going to be very different to an L2 Certificate at another due to conditions and type of water. I did my L2 in F5 on waves at Plas Menai. Very different again. So how are the comparable?
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 09 Jan 15 at 1:06pm
Originally posted by JohnJack
Originally posted by winging it
I don't think people want the actual certificates, I think they want what they see as a fast and effective method of learning a new skill. Level 2 can (theoretically) get you up to the standard of being able to go away and hire a dinghy in any centre that accepts it. Most do.
Level 2, as it used to be known, now Basic Skills, should take a minimum of two days. The problem is that many centres sign people off simply for having been there, without actually considering whether or not they can actually independently do what is on the syllabus, what the certificate says they have achieved. So everyone gets misled about levels of competence.
I feel people should very much be encouraged to think of this ticket as a starting point, a grasp of the basics, like it says on the ticket, and firmly directed to more supervises sailing across a range of boats. What I'm saying I suppose is its in the ethos of the RTC, if they tell people they can sail T L2 then they may well be giving a false impression. |
One thing I have always thought. There are two clubs in my immediate area with very contrasting water.
One is a river club which is relatively sheltered and you rarely get anything near or above 'marginal planing' conditions. the other has a small lake which is beside the estuary where the wind seems to funnel off the Irish sea. Surely an L2 Certificate at one is going to be very different to an L2 Certificate at another due to conditions and type of water. I did my L2 in F5 on waves at Plas Menai. Very different again. So how are the comparable?
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They aren't. The inland/coastal thing is taken care of on the certificate itself, but once you start comparing locations within each of those, you will of course get a huge variety. Certainly we stress that on the courses, and I suspect most places do. The L2, is as the new name suggests, the basics. It is a place to start learning from as a sailor, not really an end goal at all.
But it is a problem if the person clutching their new certificate goes off thinking they can do anything, anywhere. But then that happens with self taught people on benign waters, too - it is a people problem, not simply a paperwork issue.
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 23 Sep 15 at 9:33am
OK it's a great event, run by volunteers and for a good cause but it seems Bart's Bash has neglected to mention the crew in it's results:
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Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 8:57am
Was the same last year wasn't it?
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 10:02am
The explanation from last year was that with yachts with many crew taking part, it was just the skipper who's name was used, as is traditional in yacht racing. Whether this was true, or it was just to make administration easier (or that many results came in where the crew's name was missing so it was decided not to use them) I think it is bad for crew morale.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 10:55pm
Well if my recent Merlin experiences are anything to go by, the crew should get the medal, when I helmed with it's regular crew we did ok, when I crewed with it's regular helm we were pants.
Ergo Crew more important than Helm in Merlin Rocket.
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 9:26am
I appreciate the logistics of giving the crew a mention, not easy. I know they had enough agro getting the results together last year as it was.
If they could rectify the system for the future it would be great.
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Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 26 Sep 15 at 10:39pm
Seems a little ironic, given that many people will remember Bart crewing a Star to Olympic gold.
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 27 Sep 15 at 11:36am
Originally posted by Andymac
Seems a little ironic, given that many people will remember Bart crewing a Star to Olympic gold. |
Good point.
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