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    Posted: 24 Dec 14 at 11:05am
I have Jim'stelescope, and I'm hunting for gaps in the market.

On the Santa thread, the gap appears to be a throughly modern 2 hander big enough for 2 adults and suitable for a small lake, but no faster than the old classes.

Really?

My gap in the market - a modern take on the scow bowed/skimmer type boat - they work best when ultra light, they can be narrow, so not too much material. With the Aero weighing in at 30kg, I'd like to see a 13 foot modern Minisail strong enough to beach land but weighing 25kg.

Trouble is, I suspect the gap is for about 6 boats...
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The gap I thought I'd spotted, which turned out not to be there, was for a box rule singlehander for people too big for a Moth.

To an extent though the Canoe has now reclaimed that one.
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A lightweight replacement for the laser.....oh wait!  

In my opinion there is no gap in the market, it's more about manufacturers trying to create one nowadays.  Trouble is I am yet to hear one of them carry out surveys of what people really want or need.  It's all a bit like.....so here is our latest offering you wanted.  5/6 times people didn't want it.  So I would say more market research is needed prior to bringing some of these products to the table.   Or the opposite really offer something that challenges established successful classes.  Just make sure you have the infrastructure in place once the smirk eating is turned off!
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How about a two person boat for heavyweights that doesn't cost the earth
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I would say that there is a big gap in the market for the heavier helmsman. For singlehanders we have the Phantom and Finn, but for doublehanders the list is very small with the Albacore and Wayfarers probably at the top.

Why might this gap be relevant? Well because your typical boat owner is likely to be middle aged and male, whilst the front end of their boat is likely to have all sorts from children to wives to friends. That calls for a boat that takes a heavy helmsman but is not too demanding of the crew.... Apart from the two designs just mentioned all modern boats seem to require the helmsman to be light, or to have a very strong crew.


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1) A non extreme trapeze single hander, optimised for F4 and 13 stone
2) Twin trap boat smaller than RS800 but more 'sensible' than a Cherub?
3)Two man hiker, very lightweight, ergonomics to suit crew with dodgy knees.
4) Two person 16ft box rule?
5) Two person foiler?

I might actually buy 3).
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Originally posted by RS400atC

1) A non extreme trapeze single hander, optimised for F4 and 13 stone
The Farr 3.7 might well fit that description.

Originally posted by RS400atC

2) Twin trap boat smaller than RS800 but more 'sensible' than a Cherub?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 14 at 2:56pm
I like the Farr, but I harbour doubts that it's shorter than optimum.
I sometimes look at Phantoms and think of tacking on a trapeze.....
Maybe things like the Rebel will fluorish as adult club sailors' boats once a generation of 29er kids has settled down?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rb_stretch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 14 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

I like the Farr, but I harbour doubts that it's shorter than optimum.
I sometimes look at Phantoms and think of tacking on a trapeze.....
Maybe things like the Rebel will fluorish as adult club sailors' boats once a generation of 29er kids has settled down?


I thought the Farr 3.7 was for far less than 13 stones.

13 stone and Force 4 sounds like Contender territory to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 14 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by rb_stretch

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I thought the Farr 3.7 was for far less than 13 stones.

13 stone and Force 4 sounds like Contender territory to me.

I should have said Force 2 to Force 4.
The Contender is a great boat from F4 upwards IMHO, or at least it was about 16 years ago when I sold my last one, after having kept it 'just for evening races' and had a season of F2 every wednesday apart from one F7. Since then I had a brief experiment with an RS600. Which left me thinking a more forgiving hull under a rig like that might have potential?
Or if my crew runs of should I just get an MPS?
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