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    Posted: 17 Nov 14 at 3:42pm
A sad tale ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836136/Boy-suffered-catastrophic-brain-damage-boat-crash-secretly-filmed-assess-extent-injuries.html



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A sad story, but given the Mail treatment, the story was simply riddled with untruths and contradictions.
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They'll be covered by insurance for that, what's of more concern appears to be the general working losses they're showing. Too many jobsworths at the RYA, it could explain why they sacked the only person doing any good for Windsurfing last year.
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Slightly more balanced info here (bottom article).

Quoting the report: "Will this astronomical pay-out effect RYA licence fees and race insurance as we understand there is another court case against the governing body following a fatal accident in Dover."


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As a one-time motorsport competitor, I find this story extraordinary.

Powerboat racing is known to be a dangerous sport.  If people cannot be regarded as competing at their own risk, then I fear for many activities that make life interesting, as they seem to involve an element of danger, dinghy sailing included.

And so the emasculating, decadent decline of the west continues... to be overwhelmed by the brutality of Isis or the vigour of some other less 'developed' culture?
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

As a one-time motorsport competitor, I find this story extraordinary.

Powerboat racing is known to be a dangerous sport.  If people cannot be regarded as competing at their own risk, then I fear for many activities that make life interesting, as they seem to involve an element of danger, dinghy sailing included.

And so the emasculating, decadent decline of the west continues... to be overwhelmed by the brutality of Isis or the vigour of some other less 'developed' culture?
Children - that is people under 18 - don't have the legal capacity to 'voluntarily assume risk' or take on 'compete at own risk' and it's probably impossible for parents or guardians to voluntarily assume risk on their behalf.

Voluntary assumption of risk and rule 4 will NOT absolve a race committee or club from a duty of care when juniors are involved.

Who ever thought it was a safe idea to have 10 and 13 year old kids racing speedboats at close quarters?

Full MAIB Report here

Interesting what the nature of the RYA's liability might have been.  I suspect that it may have been largely through RYA Insurance covering both the RYA and the Club, and that apportionment of liability was never attempted.

Talking about voluntary assumption of risk, the RYA seems to have got itself involved to a much greater degree than for sail racing:
    1. All participants in powerboat racing in the UK are required to be registered and licensed by the RYA (1.2.1)
    2. K-class is the first and only junior offshore powerboat racing in the UK, and the MAIB could find no evidence of similar racing anywhere else in the world. (1.2.2) - That's not conservative risk management where I stand.
    There's just abundant evidence throughout the MAIB that this obviously highly risky endeavour was a rock-show.

    Try as I might I cannot find any linkage on the RYA website between the RYA's well-developed training structure for Powerboats, and the licencing of powerboat racers.  Only after this incident did the club, NOT the RYA. institute a requirement for RYA Powerboat Level 2.

    Sorry, MM, normally I'm just as concerned about pussification as the next non-kindergarten-teacher, but this is just the sort of sorry tale that brings the authorities down on our heads.


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      Kids powerboat racing indeed seems like an odd thing to me, but then so does having kids doing motorsports, motocross, kart racing etc. However the land stuff is common enough. I'm not sure one is intrinsically that much more dangerous than the other, but I'm not well placed to judge. I can't imagine letting children I was responsible for do either.
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      Unless both parents are former or current powerboat racers themselves,how on earth are they socially qualified to assess the risks? I rely on my wife to assess the risk of horse riding for my kids, as she does with me when we get on a sailboat. When I comes to skiing we take an equal responsibility, but if either of our girls suddenly wanted to start motocross, we would be utterly clueless, save common sense / peer group research verses parenting dilemmas of supporting your children in what they want to do with protecting them at the same time.

      Powerboat racing - no way I'd encourage it that's for sure!!!

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      The difference is that for Karting (and all other forms of MSA approved motorsports) you must have a licence issued by the MSA. This includes a medical certification and a period as a 'novice' where your kart was easily identifiable from more experienced competitors so they knew. It is not a cheap thing either.

      If the RYA is licensing powerboat competitors then they need to ensure their licenses are issued appropriately, if this means a pre-requisite is PB2 or an assessment from a PBI then this should be implemented. Karting you can start at aged 8 I believe in the Cadet class. Not sure I would let an 8 year old being in charge of a powerboat though.
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      Originally posted by JimC

      Kids powerboat racing indeed seems like an odd thing to me, but then so does having kids doing motorsports, motocross, kart racing etc. However the land stuff is common enough. I'm not sure one is intrinsically that much more dangerous than the other, but I'm not well placed to judge. I can't imagine letting children I was responsible for do either.
      Motorsports and karting was in my mind when I posted.

      Difference is, I think, modern karts are safety engineered to the nth degree, and in speedway racing all the vehicles are going in the same direction, no 90 degree mark-roundings.  I'd bet you could find formal risk assessment documentation as long as your arm.

      Looking at the forms involved, I've gotta say that any game that has such a foreseeable risk of injury that you have a standard form to report competitors going to hospital really obviously needed a better standard of risk assessment.
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