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    Posted: 03 Mar 14 at 1:20pm
Could someone get in contact with me? I'm trying to create a database of past PY numbers, and I'm getting very confused with Javelins... In the 80s in various years there are entries in the PY lists for Javelin 16, Javelin (Milne), and just Javelin. Only one in any given year, and all PY 98 or 99 (926-936 in modern money). I guess the smart money is these are all the Peter Milne design boat, but why on earth would it have been known as Javelin 16? Anyone in your class go far enough back to remember?
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Mike and Cath Pickles used to very active in the class. I only have a facebook contact but I can message him for you.
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I think the Javelin 16 is a unrelated Australian design.
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There's the New Zealand Javelin which is widely sailed in Aus, but that's 14ft. Hard to believe it would have been the same speed as the Milne boat back then, although modern ones probably are. And there's an American one, also 14ft, but that one is little faster than a Mirror according to their handicap system.

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This is the reply from Mike Pickles.
There are three Javelin's
A Uffa Fox tub, mainly sailed in the USA which was around 16'
The Aussie Javelin which is a 16' Skiff
And the Milne Javelin which is the one sailed in Europe, which is 17''6" long.
Oue current Handicap is 926 and would have been 98-ish back in the day.
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The Milne Javelin is a boat that could be a real weapon if given a 21st century makeover and put on a serious diet
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Seems to me that any boat with enough returns to be on the UK PY list would be the Milne boat.
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Tony Lincoln from Northampton Sailboats was good in the Javelins ( and I might have made him some foils ~ 25 yrs ago )

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Originally posted by rogerd

This is the reply from Mike Pickles.
There are three Javelin's
A Uffa Fox tub, mainly sailed in the USA which was around 16'
The Aussie Javelin which is a 16' Skiff
And the Milne Javelin which is the one sailed in Europe, which is 17''6" long.
Oue current Handicap is 926 and would have been 98-ish back in the day.

No, the Aussie Javelin, or NZ Javelin to be correct is not a 16ft Skiff. A  16ft Skiff is a 16ft Skiff. The Aus/NZ Javelin, given that John Spencer is the original designer, looks like a larger version of the AUS/NZ Cherub. It looks like a real fun boat.
Cut and pasted from the Aus/NZ Javelin Website:

What is a Javelin
The Javelin is a high performance, single trapeze, 14ft two handed skiff raced competitively throughout New Zealand and Australia, with fleets starting in the United States. Its lightweight 70kg hull, and powerful, efficient sail plan allow it to exceed speeds of 25 knots and provide an exhilarating "ride" and exciting fleet racing.

The Javelin is a restricted development class which offers close exciting racing at a very affordable price. The Javelin is a light-weight boat, and carries a large sail area for its size. This combination makes the Javelin a very exciting boat to race and sail.

The Javelin was designed in New Zealand by John Spencer in 1961. Its popularity has seen it become a National Class with fleets throughout New Zealand and Australia.

National, Inter-Provincial, and South Pacific championships provide sailors with good close racing, and social events.



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Hi Jim,

as is usual in these cases, the replies above are not complete! Funnily enough, I was sorting out an answer to your other question re the Tornado when I clocked the javelin thread.

So, UK Javelins....... to the list you also have to add the attempt by Ian Proctor to develop a performance catamaran. The Proctor Javelin was a follow up to his smaller 'catkin' cat, IIFC it was cold moulded by Jack Chippendale at Fareham and sailed by Richard Creagh-Osbourne at Lymington.

Sorry Jim, I don't suppose this answers your question but thought you'd want the info, if only for 'completeness' of answer.

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