Calling the UK Javelin Class
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Topic: Calling the UK Javelin Class
Posted By: JimC
Subject: Calling the UK Javelin Class
Date Posted: 03 Mar 14 at 1:20pm
| Could someone get in contact with me? I'm trying to create a database of past PY numbers, and I'm getting very confused with Javelins... In the 80s in various years there are entries in the PY lists for Javelin 16, Javelin (Milne), and just Javelin. Only one in any given year, and all PY 98 or 99 (926-936 in modern money). I guess the smart money is these are all the Peter Milne design boat, but why on earth would it have been known as Javelin 16? Anyone in your class go far enough back to remember? |
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Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 03 Mar 14 at 1:40pm
| Mike and Cath Pickles used to very active in the class. I only have a facebook contact but I can message him for you. |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 03 Mar 14 at 6:19pm
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I think the Javelin 16 is a unrelated Australian design. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Mar 14 at 6:39pm
| There's the New Zealand Javelin which is widely sailed in Aus, but that's 14ft. Hard to believe it would have been the same speed as the Milne boat back then, although modern ones probably are. And there's an American one, also 14ft, but that one is little faster than a Mirror according to their handicap system. |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 03 Mar 14 at 7:37pm
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This is the reply from Mike Pickles.
There are three Javelin's A Uffa Fox tub, mainly sailed in the USA which was around 16' The Aussie Javelin which is a 16' Skiff And the Milne Javelin which is the one sailed in Europe, which is 17''6" long. Oue current Handicap is 926 and would have been 98-ish back in the day. |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 07 Mar 14 at 6:32pm
| The Milne Javelin is a boat that could be a real weapon if given a 21st century makeover and put on a serious diet |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Mar 14 at 6:43pm
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Seems to me that any boat with enough returns to be on the UK PY list would be the Milne boat.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 07 Mar 14 at 6:49pm
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Tony Lincoln from Northampton Sailboats was good in the Javelins ( and I might have made him some foils ~ 25 yrs ago ) ------------- " rel="nofollow - http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk Andy P foiling Int Moth GBR3467 Freedom 21 Codling |
Posted By: Action
Date Posted: 07 Mar 14 at 9:12pm
No, the Aussie Javelin, or NZ Javelin to be correct is not a 16ft Skiff. A 16ft Skiff is a 16ft Skiff. The Aus/NZ Javelin, given that John Spencer is the original designer, looks like a larger version of the AUS/NZ Cherub. It looks like a real fun boat. Cut and pasted from the Aus/NZ Javelin Website: What is a Javelin The Javelin was designed in New Zealand by http://www.javelins.org/History/JohnSpencer.html" rel="nofollow - John Spencer in 1961. Its popularity has seen it become a National Class with fleets throughout New Zealand and Australia.
And a 16
------------- Action |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 08 Mar 14 at 9:29am
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Hi Jim,
as is usual in these cases, the replies above are not complete! Funnily enough, I was sorting out an answer to your other question re the Tornado when I clocked the javelin thread. So, UK Javelins....... to the list you also have to add the attempt by Ian Proctor to develop a performance catamaran. The Proctor Javelin was a follow up to his smaller 'catkin' cat, IIFC it was cold moulded by Jack Chippendale at Fareham and sailed by Richard Creagh-Osbourne at Lymington. Sorry Jim, I don't suppose this answers your question but thought you'd want the info, if only for 'completeness' of answer. D ------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: Telltale
Date Posted: 08 Mar 14 at 10:09am
I know it is off topic but that is an outstanding pic !!
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 08 Mar 14 at 7:26pm
... and stiffer construction and carbon spars and plastic sails! We compensate for the 120kg fitted hull by bolting on lots of expensively light bits and pieces. I just acquired one of Tony Lincoln's last Javs and the (lack of) weight of the spin pole and rudder assembly is a bit spooky. Puts those on my otherwise ultra-light V3000 to shame. We could probably knock 10+kg off the hull weight by using more modern construction, maybe more by changing the internal shape; it might be earlier on the plane and "lighter and bouncier" as a friend put it, but I doubt it would be quicker flat out; the 150kg or so of sailors needed to keep it upright doesn't help  .Thing of beauty, if you're into classic hull shapes, all the same. ------------- Javelin 558 Contender 2574 |