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    Posted: 24 Feb 05 at 4:34pm

I work at as an instructor at an inland sailing club and in the three / four years i've worked there its been amazin at class changes.

The phantom has really taken off in last few years, and i dont think that'll die any time soon, they cant make enough of them!

how about the topaz, what a flop. my club bought three tres' and now i'm stuck trying to teach performance sailing in 'em.

Also how about the Hobie 405? wasn't that a 'RYA official training class'? that took less than one season to die!!

As for class changing - i do it twice a season, it gives you a excuse for poor results!!

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they are quite popular everywhere but here apparently
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I thought Bytes were quite popular over there??
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TomEagle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Feb 05 at 6:03am

it's interesting to see the difference in the sailing scene in the uk from Canda.over here it is basicly the kids start in the opti then either move to a radial or move to a 420 then they either advance to a full rig or stick with the 420. as the teens get older then they start to generally move into 29ers. thats about all that is around here though at most major regattas it is 420s 29ers full rig and radial lasers and a few opti classes. other than that there isn't really too much of a fleet of anything else . at least in western canada. as for keelboats it's a different story. there is a million different fleets around here.



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Having recently changed to a Laser 2 I could be biased of course, but the Laser centre still lists and sells all spares, so they're not difficult at all to obtain new ( although I concede masts may be a different story )

With 22 boats at last years nationals the attendance may be down on many other classes but it's still quite good. Taking my club in isolation there are 3 of them, while there are no merlins or fireballs, for example, which makes it a better supported class in this instance. And the potential is there for the three boats to interact with each other and attract new interest.

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getting back to the laser 2 as you lot just say it is a dead class.  there arnt many double handed boats that you can pick up for under £1000 and there is just loads of them.  also it is a laser so they a going to have spare parts for many years to come which is a good thing if you by a laser2.   
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And my point was 25 years isn't exactly "come & gone"...

On the subject of new classes damaging sailing, Every single class was new once for heavens sake!

If new boats didn't come along:

only I14s, Cherubs and Int. Canoes would have assymetric kites,

only I14s and Cherubs would have twin wires

the Contender would be the only trapeze single hander

Catamarans would not exist

How can sailing develop if new classes don't come along and mass market the good stuff from the development classes?  Not everybody wants to sail a Cherub or I14, N12, Merlin or Moth, but loads of people like assymetric kites, single & twin wiring, efficient hiking boats etc.

HOWEVER - a class ceasing to exist because the manufacturer is ready to move on and make some money off the fashion thing is not brilliant.  The only solution I can see is if manufacturer's were to agree that once they had had enough of supporting a class, they would donate the moulds to the Class Association along with the necessary rights, then classes could continue to exist for as long as people were enthusiastic enough to sail them...

Rant over, soapbox put away.

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erm, sorry, I assumed that as it's no longer listed in Lasers catalogue and you don't seem to be able to get little spares like foils and masts that it was an ex dinghy, pushing up the daisies, deceased etc (and it's no even green:-)

And changing class is ok, but the point is that it's a fad thing, new boat comes in, group of sailors move into it, next new thing arrives and they shift to that - this results in lots of abandoned classes which isn't good for the sport, other than to ensure a supply of cheap secondhand boats which can be difficult to get spares for and have no real support structure.

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Originally posted by Ian S

Actually the B14 is a good case to back up my point about sailors being fickle,  aren't most of them ex - lark sailors??

So you aren't allowed to change classes now?

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Originally posted by Ian S

Look at the number of "new" boats that have come and gone, iso, Laser 2, Boss, B14, L3k, L5k. Not to mention some of the single handers and no doubt some cats as well.

Laser II - designed in about 1980, still going strong after 25 years - that is hardly "come & gone".

B14 never really came in the first place did it?

 

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