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    Posted: 03 Mar 20 at 5:29pm
The RYAs list of criteria seem reasonable, and Farnborough seems to be the least worst fit. To my mind the show is suffering because too many classes have pulled out because of the expense, so its got to be cheaper than AP, NEC, which probably means Excel and Olympia too. I can't imagine Cotswold Water Park or Blenheim Palace can provide indoor heated halls with 30 foot ceiling height, Manchester feels too far North... Of course if anyone can think of a better venue than anything the RYA have considered I'm sure they'd be delighted to hear. Charming as the old days scattered round a Sports centre were, I don't think it would do for the modern audience...
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Originally posted by zeon

Think a north London or midlands location would be best but not the NEC. It’s a very expensive place. Last time I went to the Cycle show there , an advance ticket cost £16 ( price on the door was £20) plus is cost another £16 to park .


Indeed. So while I see the attraction of NEC as a venue, I doubt you'd please exhibitors if their costs increase and if they are out to milk me as a customer for £16 parking... (Per day?) That seems even worse. Travel for me there by public transport would be 'easier' but not much quicker I suspect...

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Originally posted by PaulPoshW

I think the RYA may have got the first point wrong. Rather than aiming at the majority of frequent visitors surely they should be looking at how they can increase the number of infrequent. 
Ease of public transport becomes more difficult as most from up north will have to change and travel across London anyway


Depends. If your current format is OK for visitor numbers but your exhibitors are complaining then all you need to do is pacify the exhibitors and keep the visitors happy.

I don't think the public transport has been well thought through. Perhaps it's OK for those doing a weekend. For those going for a day it's not great! But... Change at Reading..from up Norf, that could be avoid London.

Perhaps bringing a car will make me buy more :) (maybe people will take boats home!!)

Perhaps bringing a car will make me take more people - so instead of going alone I take the family as the transport cost is pretty much the same. Or I go as a group of sailors. Perhaps a group plan makes me less likely to bail out 2 days before hand because ICBA.

I don't envy exhibitors driving to Ally Pally. Some of the big guys must have had multiple vans etc. The CAs etc must find all that a bit daunting too.

My experience this year was enlightening. First time I took my son. Discovered there is more than I "see" normally. He wanted to go on trapezes, model yachts, VR, simulators etc. I know those things are there - I walk past. He had no interest in gear shops or looking at classes he won't sail just to see how they route a rope etc.

Previous years I've never been fussed by the presentation stuff. This year I fancied it but son wasn't up for it. The acoustics were as bad as ever...

So if we accept it needed to move... It's only a question of is this the right venue.

It feels odd. Particularly the difficulty jumping on a train. *But* that doesn't make it wrong until I've tried it.

I'd seriously consider 2 days there in the future rather than a day trip. (Did that just double my attendance ?) - let him go do stuff he wants, I can go to "talks", try on gear etc. Perhaps man a stand in my CA was going back...

I'd like to see CAs allowed free space (pay to make larger).. if moving venue achieved that - no bad thing...

CAs possibly need some help though... Coz they need to understand marketeering just like Clubs need help. I walked past a presentation that actually seemed useful - not sure what it was titled but it was mentioning event reports. Talking social media etc. We need to get better at reporting what happened. Gone are the days of a paper report published 2 months later in a newsletter. These guys were saying think video...

I'd love to not just have London Clubs there too... Again that needs clubs to understand what's in it for them. How many members do you need to gain to cover costs of stand plus "staffing" and how likely would you get those members... But it may not just be instant members. There is something about clubs being recognised as premier locations. If your name is seen at the show and 18 months later is being considered to host X race... Does it stand more chance than the slightly cheaper club no-one has heard of.

I'm prepared to be open minded until I've been to Farnborough

PS I'm traveling from the North East. This would be worse for me



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Think a north London or midlands location would be best but not the NEC. It’s a very expensive place. Last time I went to the Cycle show there , an advance ticket cost £16 ( price on the door was £20) plus  another £16 to park .



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  1. Availability on dates desired - can it accommodate the show on the first weekend in March?
But the show is scheduled last weekend of Feb!
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  • Ease of access by car - a location central to the majority of frequent visitors with good access and parking
  • Ease of access by public transport - location relative to train station, major train lines and bus amenities
I think the RYA may have got the first point wrong. Rather than aiming at the majority of frequent visitors surely they should be looking at how they can increase the number of infrequent. 

Ease of public transport becomes more difficult as most from up north will have to change and travel across London anyway

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It's a show about dinghy sailing. Aimed at existing sailors and - hopefully - attracting new blood into the sport.  Boats and classes saying 'you should sail THIS';  Clubs saying you 'should sail HERE'; Retailers saying 'Buy this KIT'. Not sure how the recipe can be changed, but then I have no imagination & I'm not in marketing.
I was surprised by the location choice. I'm much more likely to go now as it's 40 mins ish from here, but I do fear that those any distance to the north of London will be put off. 
If the RYA were really brave they could perhaps try a Northern Dinghy Show. We don't know whether the RYA subsidise the current event. I assume not. The Motor Show used to alternate between London & B'ham. Much bigger budgets, but if the will is there???

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Interesting that both the Nec and Gmex needs an explanation in brackets to tell Rya members where they are.

Perhaps if the show was changed radically from the same thing wheeled out each year, visitors would be brave enough to travel north of London?
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The idea of alternating North and South seems a good one. Farnborough one year, somewhere in Yorkshire the next?

Might get different classes and pro-exhibitors each year, too.

And it will finally show whether the north really has more dinghy sailors!
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