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    Posted: 16 Aug 18 at 11:54am
There are many different sizes and types of sailing club, so it is rank prejudice to stereotype all committee members as of the old fart type.  All I know is that having joined my club committee three years ago it is made up of very capable, friendly, hard working people from all walks of life and they all put enormous thankless effort into running the club, without which it would cease to operate in a few weeks. 

So rather than sl*gging them off, join them.  Don’t just contribute ideas, put put in the hard yards to make the ideas reality. 

Some one has to fix the showers, or at call a plumber and let them in, someone has to refuel the RIBs, someone has to stock the bar, someone has to create the racing calendar, someone has to renew the lease, arrange the insurance, coordinate training, collect subs, return key deposits, organise open meetings etc.  These are mundane, time consuming and necessary jobs that do not bestow power -the average committee member is not a megalomaniac, they are just trying to help out.  Then somone comes along with a “good” idea that they expect someone else to implement and call them old farts when they don’t.   
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i think that both sides of the discussion have valid points, and in some cases each fail to see where the other is coming from or going too. 

Having been a member at several clubs now and having been on committees at one and being left very disappointed by my time on it despite creating some positive outcomes in multiple areas of club life, i am reticent to go back to volunteering my time again directly.  Indirectly however i do what i can for the two clubs i'm currently a member of, providing images/video, duties etc.  

Perhaps what is needed if your committee is going back to how it was 7 years ago is to repeat your past success by getting a new com together but when there changing the format of how a committee is elected and the powers they hold to something that aligns with more current thinking.  The "old farts" that like rules are so entrenched in it after however many years that they cant change, its not wrong but why not find a work around, more pulling together and time spent working on it.  By the time you go on a committee the club isn't for you its for the next generation, so why not help the oldies remember that and guide them by providing some assistance to their role, be their PA for a season maybe?
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by elzorillo

the same old guys came back onto the committee,

No, they didn't "come back", they were relected, presumably because no other ******* would stand up to do the jobs. Ultimately you get the club you deserve...


I agree, but would add “or the one that you pay for”...

My water sports centre costs me €30 a month... and there’s no real reason why the primary activities couldn’t include dinghy sailing, they just choose not to currently.

No duties required, but there are some good old fashioned rules about housekeeping and helping out a bit every now and again, especially with the kids stuff.

The caveat is that members do not have exclusive use - we share the space with visitors, encourage them actually with gigs, yoga sessions, summer schools, street art exhibitions and other cultural experiences.

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Sorry.. but when a committee chooses to allocate the majority their time and clubs resources to altruistic aims, whilst at the same time alienating the very people who provide 90%  of the finances of the club, they should at least have the common sense to sit back and realise they (and more specifically the club) are on borrowed time. 

Strangely enough.. I just had a visitor to my office who's just come back from his boat in the lakes.. he was bemoaning the fact the committee there seem more interested in providing services to the local day visiting tourists than providing club facilities to the people who allow the place to be financially viable.. the membership. So not as rare a problem as some would believe. 
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I guess that depends on the financial model - many years ago now I worked for a membership organisation, only 30% of the revenues came directly from member subs, the rest was provided by the team I worked in through sponsorship, events and commercial services
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There's a certain rather prominent club in Cowes where wine sales pay for 4 members of staff... 
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Originally posted by elzorillo

Sorry.. but when a committee chooses to allocate the majority their time and clubs resources to altruistic aims, whilst at the same time alienating the very people who provide 90%  of the finances of the club, they should at least have the common sense to sit back and realise they (and more specifically the club) are on borrowed time. 
 

Fine, but you've told us that when alternative people stood they got elected, but then got bored. You can't blame the people on the committee if you don't like how they run the club but they're the only ones prepared to do it.

Perhaps the issue is not the older members, but the more active sailing ones not being prepared to take on the work of running what they want themselves.
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Originally posted by elzorillo

Sorry.. but when a committee chooses to allocate the majority their time and clubs resources to altruistic aims, whilst at the same time alienating the very people who provide 90%  of the finances of the club, they should at least have the common sense to sit back and realise they (and more specifically the club) are on borrowed time. 

Strangely enough.. I just had a visitor to my office who's just come back from his boat in the lakes.. he was bemoaning the fact the committee there seem more interested in providing services to the local day visiting tourists than providing club facilities to the people who allow the place to be financially viable.. the membership. So not as rare a problem as some would believe. 
I think you're probably in the wrong sport and definitely the wrong club. So your committee are all wrong and you are in the right ?    Life tends to be a bit more complex than that. I'm a businessman myself so I recognise some of the meetings for the sake of meetings culture you mention, but to sl*g off your entire committee on a public forum is crass of you. 
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Originally posted by 423zero

I have made no worthwhile contribution to sailing, other than to participate and support boating industry buying equipment etc.
So come back when you've made a contribution and you may get listened to a bit more. sl*gging off those folk who run our clubs without getting involved yourself is a quick route to being ignored.  Which is what I suspect the old farts in your club are wisely doing. 
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Late Starter,
You are iGRF this is one of your pseudonyms well done fooled me
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