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    Posted: 22 Apr 13 at 2:13pm
and a Ferrari FF is £250k.... one looks a lot more sellable to the 'Mrs collective' as a mid life crisis to me  LOL
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£15K should bring you a new state of the art piece of Finn kit, but this level of consistency should be available in all classes, surely this level of engineering is not an unreasonable ambition for any boat since the dug out canoe stopped being the norm. It is a case of pride and controlled workmanship & engineering.
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I thought you need a heavy wind and light wind mast/sail combo for a Finn?  That's what one of the Finn boys was saying around our way not so long ago...
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I think you find a mast you like and keep it, two masts can be measured in at regattas but most people go with their favourite in all weathers and keep the other as a spare. The problem with two is the confusion with settings and getting caught out with weather changes on the water, better to know how to adjust the rig to suit the conditions. It is bad enough having to nurse a fragile lightweight sail round the course if the wind comes up without throwing an unsuitable mast at the problem as well. I made the mistake of selling my best mast years ago, thought I could do better, well I couldn't Cry
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

£15K should bring you a new state of the art piece of Finn kit, but this level of consistency should be available in all classes, surely this level of engineering is not an unreasonable ambition for any boat since the dug out canoe stopped being the norm. It is a case of pride and controlled workmanship & engineering.


Originally posted by scotsfinn

I'd agree with TR and disagree with Jim C. The pleasure of a Finn is that the rules are so well controlled that most owners, who are not of course Olympians, can enjoy really close competion in a variety of ages of boats knowing they are as close in terms of weights and balance as any class in the world. Even better they get a great mag telling what is happening, but really never have to get involved in class politics. In my view the Finn Class should be a model for all ......... That should extract a few more posts I'll bet .... Wink


All very laudable, right up until the bit where they hang a bit of old lancaster bomber wing down the middle of it, with the foil shape ground out of it to fit in the slot... Oh and to double the weight by the sound of it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tgruitt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 13 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by iGRF



All very laudable, right up until the bit where they hang a bit of old lancaster bomber wing down the middle of it, with the foil shape ground out of it to fit in the slot... Oh and to double the weight by the sound of it.


Something has happened in my brain, for once GRF, I think I agree with you!
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

I think you find a mast you like and keep it, two masts can be measured in at regattas but most people go with their favourite in all weathers and keep the other as a spare. The problem with two is the confusion with settings and getting caught out with weather changes on the water, better to know how to adjust the rig to suit the conditions. It is bad enough having to nurse a fragile lightweight sail round the course if the wind comes up without throwing an unsuitable mast at the problem as well. I made the mistake of selling my best mast years ago, thought I could do better, well I couldn't Cry

That makes more sense than the arms race discussion we had down the club when I mildly mentioned what a damn shame it was there were no Finns left anymore.  

No one seems to remember what happened, other than it died over a few seasons never to be seen of again.  It wasn't as if the Phants came along as a 'cheaper alternative', but one guy said the cost put people off.  I'd take a punt on the fact that the late 70's economic climate (not so dissimilar from today) put a lot of people off sailing and sports in general, rather than it being a Finn specific issue at our club.  But I wasn't around then, so can't comment with any first hand nostalgic bias suitable for an internet forum.


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relatively a 70's finn would have been much cheaper surely.....simpler aluminium rigs and dacron sails
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I recall the DWSC Finn fleet when I was a nipper in the mid 70's.  It really was a sight to behold with great turnouts and competiton EVERY weekend (and it wasn't just big guys - there were lots of normal size people (admittedly wearing weight jackets).  My recollection was that Mike Astley was the reason that happened - he put so much effort into building the fleet (loaning his spare boat, coaching, organising personal handicap racing (sail the first beat, wait at the first mark for X seconds and then return to the race), even to clearing the weed using a serrated drag and his jag X12).  I benefited as well as he did a lot to enthuse the youngsters in the club - certainly can still remember him teaching me to gybe down a slalom course in a F5 that (of course) he installed.

The growth of the laser may have had something to do with the slow decline of the Finn at DWSC, but I think it was probably Mike finally getting too old in his late 60s to sail a Finn to the standard he wanted.

Best way to build a fleet - find a Mike Astley.

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Originally posted by Neptune

relatively a 70's finn would have been much cheaper surely.....simpler aluminium rigs and dacron sails


Nothing is ever cheap about a multiple supplier Olympic Class. Everything is always the best it can possibly be within the letter of the rules.

Edited by JimC - 22 Apr 13 at 5:09pm
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