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    Posted: 16 Aug 18 at 6:11am
Club secretary at my club inundated with paperwork, from the latest data protection to RYA issues, there are only 35 active members, probably same number inactive, majority of active members are also members at other clubs.
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I really dont know the answer because the mindset of the type committees seem to attract dont have the ability to see the problem.. only frown and ban things.



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Originally posted by elzorillo

The main problem we have is that the majority of the committee are the sort of people who volunteer for committees.. retired public body paper pushers.. Obsessed with altruistic achievement. They see the membership as simply a revenue source to provide the place which allows them to fawn over lesser mortals. They are downright rude to the general membership at times. They will happily spend all their free time down at the club supporting the disabled, the blind, etc.. yet show little interest in the general membership much less retaining them. They are obsessed with rules.. The general procedure for a committee meeting is 'Would anyone like to suggest any new rules?'  or the old 'We need a notice/sign putting up about that'. Believe me, we've no space for any more fking notices!!

Excuse my annoyance as I doubt things will ever change.. it's the nature of the 'type' committees attract.

What we did maybe six or seven years ago.. the club was on its knees.. vast numbers of members were leaving due to the behavior of the committee.. They were treating the place as their own private domain and banning everything.  The atmospher around the place was terrible. So.. a large group of us got together stood for all the positions on the committee. The old guard knew they were so disliked by the majority of the members that they begged the new guys to compromise.. 50% of them would stand down and allow the new blood to step it. We agreed for the sake of some continuity. We introduced fresh ideas and a less draconian feel to the place. We were all from commercial or business backgrounds and understood that member had to be able to enjoy the place. Over the next few years we doubled the membership. Seven years down the line.. I'm the only one left of those new committee members, they got bored, were too busy, moved on to other things, the same old guys came back onto the committee, there is a bad feeling around the place, members nervous they may break a rule and we're rapidly descending back in the same position we were seven years ago.

I really dont know the answer because the mindset of the type committees seem to attract dont have the ability to see the problem.. only frown and ban things.


Not my experience, though some challenges balancing interests of disparate groups ... cruisers, dinghy, social.  Perhaps you need to consider a different club if it makes you so angry?
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'Perhaps you need to consider a different club if it makes you so angry?'

I'm not angry, just disappointment at the shortsighted view of the majority of people that committees seem to attract.

Your 'leave if you dont like it' is the perfect example of why many sailing clubs struggle to retain members and are ultimately failing.
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One method of controlling committee members is to only allow people who still sail to sit and make none sailor social members so they can't vote their mates on

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Originally posted by elzorillo

The main problem we have is that the majority of the committee are the sort of people who volunteer for committees.. retired public body paper pushers.. Obsessed with altruistic achievement. They see the membership as simply a revenue source to provide the place which allows them to fawn over lesser mortals.

I can't say that bears any resemblance to any of the clubs I've been a member of, or the two I've been on the committee of for most of the last decade. My experience is of members keen to sail and make the club and it's program a success, and realising that the ones who can make that work are the members themselves.

Originally posted by elzorillo

What we did maybe six or seven years ago.. the club was on its knees.. vast numbers of members were leaving due to the behavior of the committee.. They were treating the place as their own private domain and banning everything.  The atmospher around the place was terrible. So.. a large group of us got together stood for all the positions on the committee. 

So there's the problem, and the solution - if younger active members aren't prepared to step forward and take places on committees then a club is likely to run into problems.
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I've been a member of one club of the sort that Elzorillo describes, but only one. To stereotype and insult committee members as a whole is a bit off.

Another club had two committee members who liked quoting rules. They also spent many hours working for the club. If they tell me to observe a rule twice a year, and I get their services on the start boat, cleaning the boat ramp and servicing the rescue boat, it seems to be a reasonable exchange.


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Originally posted by elzorillo

the same old guys came back onto the committee,

No, they didn't "come back", they were relected, presumably because no other ******* would stand up to do the jobs. Ultimately you get the club you deserve...
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by elzorillo

the same old guys came back onto the committee,

No, they didn't "come back", they were relected, presumably because no other ******* would stand up to do the jobs. Ultimately you get the club you deserve...

Exactly ... though I find it incredibly annoying that there are some who have taken a huge amount from the sport, who are not prepared to redress the balance when they have the opportunity.

Seriously, if you cannot raise a Committee from the active sailing membership, you have to question the viability of the sailing aspect of a club.
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I find I can cope with a 2 or 3 year stint on sailing or management committee and have been Rear commodore sailing at our club which meant going to both evenings. Frankly on the sailing side I get sick of the club racing/ existing members being ignored and the whole talk being about the next training event or what the club should be doing for the people who have done level 1 and 2.
The good news is the club since we moved into our temp club house is thriving with lots of new faces experienced and novice. We got back to running events again with 2 excellent open meetings despite very low wind forecasts which were wrong.
Will be doing my 2nd year next year with the Phantom Nationals to organise so after that I imagine will be time to remove myself from committee before I run into the hills with the screaming abjabs
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