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    Posted: 19 Apr 17 at 8:48pm
Now that is a point you have reminded me of the solution originally. Made by red eye sails. Then business collapsed and Hyde now build said sails and have added 250 to the price and changed the cloth to one of there spec.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Even a small sailmaker won't be paying retail for his cloth, and it's a lot wider than a metre.
You'd have to sell a fair few at £200 to pay the bills though.

I guess the top Laser sailors will also be wanting a composite topmast this year?
Anyone seen one yet?




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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 17 at 8:13am
Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by 423zero

I have never seen a Laser with a replica sail, what percentage of Lasers racing "class" or "handicap" are using them ?

Club culture plays a big part. One club I sail at has a large fleet, almost all are on replicas - this is the club that needs to sort out its NOR!

The other has about 4-5 regularly out, i think all are genuine sails. Interestingly the first club has a class start, the other does not!

Some are quite hard to spot, and you probably have seen them just not clocked them as replicas.

You cannot easily sort it using NOR unless you deny protests based on measurement (cue can of worms being opened).

There are other ways around it though if you really want to.
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Originally posted by jeffers

You cannot easily sort it using NOR

Don't see why not. All you need to say in the NOR is that the L class start/race/series is open to Laser class dinghies and boats that have Laser manufactured hulls with sails substantially similar to the official Laser class ones.

Obviously there's a slippery slope there ("if he's allowed illegal sails, why shouldn't I be allowed a better rudder and a mainsheet system that doesn't catch the stern so easily"). Maybe the club would end up having to write their own set of class rules for their "Not-quite-a-Laser" class.

The opinion I got from the RYA was that if a boat is deliberately taken out of class it is no longer a member of that class and the class rules do not apply. Logically then what races this non-class boat is eligible for depend on the NOR, and I know of no reason why the NOR cannot state that certain boats race alongside the Laser class rather than in a general handicap fleet.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 17 at 8:38am
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by jeffers

You cannot easily sort it using NOR

Don't see why not. All you need to say in the NOR is that the L class start/race/series is open to Laser class dinghies and boats that have Laser manufactured hulls with sails substantially similar to the official Laser class ones.

Thats all it needs. 

And a PY for Laser manufactured hulls with substantially similar sails.

Until someone tries to "optimise" the cut of their training sail I think everyone would be happy and it closes one of the two big avenues of Lasers being allowed to do stuff that noone else can. 

Changing rigs based on conditions is the other - one battle at a time :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 17 at 10:33am
Changing rigs I do see on a regular basis, just assumed it was to do with reefing, never thought about it being a bit naughty.
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It's only naughty if the class rules or NOR prohibits it. Windsurfers do it all the time (:
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sandgrounder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 17 at 11:43am
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

It's only naughty if the class rules or NOR prohibits it. (:


This thread refers to Lasers. In Lasers rig switching is cheating, and also has a negative impact on PYs

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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 17 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by sandgrounder

In Lasers rig switching is cheating

Its hardly cheating to sail one class in one race and another class in another race. It would only be cheating if you attempted to deceive the race committee about what you were sailing. If someone wants to come to our club Laser open and sail a Full rig in two races and a Radial rig in two races I don't see there's a problem, but the two boats will be scored separately.
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Yup, same at my home club.
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