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    Posted: 16 Oct 13 at 11:02am
I heard someone from the National tennis training thing talking the other day and he seemed to say that the available young sportsmen/women have to be captured early before other sports nick them. This implies that talent for sport is a universal skill awaiting training for specific disciplines.

I cannot believe this is true of sailing. If it was what other sport or pastime shares the skill? 
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You know Nessa I don't think I am worth training. I would be wasting the instructors time. I can sail, I get round without hitting anything or causing damage. I beat all the beginners until they improve and beat me and sometimes I snap at the back of the bottom half of the middle fleet. The boy shakes his head in disbelief and disowns me. Training should improve me but I do not have a 'sailors brain' to improve. Luckily sailing has so many other facets that interest me.
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there will inevitabely be competition between sports. Which is why many of the top rugby schools here in Ireland make rugby compulsory.

Sailing has a particular problem especially for boys in that, unfortunately, sailing at elite level has become a sport for small people. There is no elite heavyweight class (the Finn is at best a light heavyweight). This means that many boys know early on that they have no future in the sport at a high level, so the keen sportsmen gravitate towards sports that offer them a future - rowing, rugby, basketball... especially as these sports have been targetting suitably sized boys.
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Just how big is Ian Percy? Looking at him sitting at the table during the AC expert bits, he looked like he could have done any of the big boy sports - rugby, pro wrestling, whatever. The big guys might have to leave dinghy sailing behind, but there is a whole sailing world out there for the muscle-bound which us small chaps will never be able to compete in.

Nessa, if it is like our club, the top of the pecking order racers don't take part in the training aimed at the improvers simply because the coaching is set at too low a level in their eyes, and maybe they can't see that it is what they bring and how hard they work that will raise both their game and that of the fleet. Probably what would make it work is to do what the Lightnings did for our early season training, and split the sailors up. A few of us were doing harder exercises with more stringent feedback from the National Champ, whilst the others were getting slightly more basic stuff from the Traveller Series winner. We all learned stuff.
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Gordon.....that is exactly what I was saying but the other way round and for girls. You mean we need an international class to accommodate super heavyweights? GRF.....drag it out! It has a purpose! 
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Ian Percy 1m87, 92 kg

So not that big - same weight and 1cm shorter than Johnny Sexton - Ireland an Lions fly half.

So, in a modrn rugby team Ian Percy would be one of the smallest players on the pitch. And he was competing in a class that was criticised for being for heavyweights.
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iitick - we had a superb ballasted dinghy for heavyweights before they spoilt it by limiting crew weight. As a result it is now no longer in the Olympics.

The Star emains the ideal boat for heavy weights (over 100kg) sailors. Know any others.

So if yo have a 12/13 yr old boy, already 6foot and growing visibly - where is his future in affordable sailing!
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Originally posted by gordon

Club racing does not, in general, improve your skills.
Although I would agree with this once folk reach their initial plateau, I have to totally disagree with the next quote.

Originally posted by gordon

.Sailing has a particular problem especially for boys in that, unfortunately, sailing at elite level has become a sport for small people.


You need to point me at this mythical class that suits small people, I've yet to find it, (without climbing in some coffin with a sail.)
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well according to grumpf he's a mummy's boy who won't be allowed to sail anyway.

But this is true and is happening more and more.  We need more boats like the megabyte, the D1, etc, not because people are getting fatter, but because they are getting bigger, or at least the boys are.

The girls here are now complaining that once they come out of the topper squad, if they aren't big enough for a radial and don't want to double hand there is nothing for them.

The truth is almost all olympic sports cater only for phsyical freaks; people who have a physique that puts them outside the norm maybe by virtue of size, maybe because of a freakish metabolism that allows them to run fast orver short or lon distancves, whatever. 

For some that is what makes the olympics special - these people are seen as the elite.  But for some this is seen as unfair because it excludes thema dn their average body or brain.
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Originally posted by iitick

GRF.....drag it out! It has a purpose! 


Drag what out? You're feeling better I'm pleased to note... (better clean that screen where you just sneezed )
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