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    Posted: 01 Jan 12 at 9:53pm
Well, I found a 4.7 difficult in a force 5 gusting 6 with about 15 foot tall waves, but that was a while ago, I think I could sail a radial in a force 4 if there wasn't a particularly high percentage of gusts, so it depends on the typical wind at your club, so yes if it is around (what I consider) a good range (force 1 - 4). Not of it is around a force 2 gusting force 6 with a high percentage of gusts, like it usually is at my club! But I sail my moth there anyway.
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Erm... I'll keep the laser as a back up until I know I want to keep the other boat then I shall sell the lasers and then occasionally sail my dads. How did you fix the iPad thing? I'm having to copy and paste :/ 
The lasers rig is pretty easy to depower so you will get away with it in most winds at your weight
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With me I just gave up, and eventually I came back to it a few days ago and it worked! When I start a new thread on here though, it doesn't show a cursor, so it is hard to see if it is typing, but if you just type, it worked for me, by the way what iPad are you using? This is a generation 1.
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ok thanks,     I was going suggest the 300 just cos they look rapid, I dont know anything about them but they just look fun and fast and every 300 sailor I have seen has a smile on there face (at some point in a race)  I know some one who sails one from 11 stone with the A rig and they have the odd capsize but no more than any one els who is new to a boat, once the boat is moving if they play the main then they are ok, it is when they stop or go slow into gybes when things dont happen as well.  
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Originally posted by Ginge

Erm... I'll keep the laser as a back up until I know I want to keep the other boat then I shall sell the lasers and then occasionally sail my dads. How did you fix the iPad thing? I'm having to copy and paste :/ 
The lasers rig is pretty easy to depower so you will get away with it in most winds at your weight

If I was your weight, I would have thought that would be perfect for a lowrider moth, (what I have got) I have got a 1970's skol moth (see cvrda for pictures) I am just a bit too light for that, but still growing, I would have thought 2 stone extra weight in my moth would be perfect. If you want you can come up to Bartley Sailing Club and have a go with mine? It's a fun boat, but not much room under the boom, with a different sail it would work well.
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I love the 300 I think there a tad out of my price range though :/ they do look great boats though. 
This is an iPad 2 , when I click on the box the keyboard doesn't come up though?
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Ah, I can't help you there, I haven't got an iPad 2, so I don't know what is wrong, try taking it to an apple store, they might be able to help you there.
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Originally posted by Ginge

Yeah I doubt I would ever actually sail a moth but, I've always thought of them as impossible and I'd just like to prove myself wrong. I always thought they were faster than that...


No, of course Moth's aren't impossible, most people who've got medium advanced level skills (steer for balnce etc) can get them round a lake after a bit of practice. I'm no Moth expert - indeed I can hardly sail one, but I've been an interested and I hope reasonably informed observed for a good few years.

The thing about difficulty and performance is that they have varied incredibly over the years. The early 60s is represented by the Europe, which pretty much anyone who can get under the boom can sail, and whih is a fair bit slower than a Laser. Next up was things like Max' Skol, which were a bit more tippy and a bit trickier, but pretty manageable.

AFter that you started to get into the medium width boats with wings. The mid generation of these was in some ways the trickest of all, because the hull shape would steer the boat as it rocked, and it would rock easily. These includes Magnums under about 5 and so on. Probably about Laser speed.

Next up were the first really narrow boats: ILuvWight's Axeman and high number Magnums and so on. These didn't self steer so badly, but with a heavy alloy rig and no stability at all they were probably initially more difficult, but maybe a bit easier once you'd mastered that. By this time they were certainly quicker than a Laser when operated with sufficient talent: probably faster than an RS300 if you could sail it well enough. Few could.

Now a couple of developments made things easier again. The rudder T foil stopped them pitchpoling, and light carbon masts didn't throw you in the water. This last generation of low riders were and are barking quick. Easily give a 600 a run for the money.

Currently of course we have the foilers. These are easier again than the low riders - quite a bit so - because there is so much stability from the foils. And of course they are quicker than anything without a motor... The only thing about foilers is that they are tricky to set up right, and setup is critical - more so than any other boat.
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One thing I have learned about moths, is that they are all very technical much more so then a laser, in my skol you can alter the speed with very little vang difference, and the position of the boat as it lies in the water. You want the nose as far down as you can get it upwind. Hence why (if you read the cvrda often - as JimC does) I am building a T foil and parts for that to fit to my skol for the added speed upwind.

Just out of interest JimC, what would you say a ghool 2 moth would come under in your categories of moth?
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Originally posted by Max McCarthy

Ah, I can't help you there, I haven't got an iPad 2, so I don't know what is wrong, try taking it to an apple store, they might be able to help you there.

There's something you have to do, can't remember what it is now, I run two ID's here, the other one iGRF is for my iPad, whatever it is you have to do, I did on that ID. Try a search in the for the website section, they did do something so we can use iPads, took us long enough to get them to change the issue with links breaking on safari they are that PC retarded on here, it's all that 'still using wood to make boats with' culture, luddites one and all. Wink


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