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    Posted: 01 Apr 21 at 11:22am
Originally posted by Sussex Lad


Originally posted by iGRF


OK , now I can start to press the 'taking offence' button.



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Exclusivity is a growing trend in the wider world ATM. The sport of sailing is just following that trend within it's own boundaries and in it's own way. This forum was vastly more tollerant 15 years ago with a vastly more inclusive feel. Sadly, various sub groups that were minorities within the forum got picked on or ignored. Bigoted views and bullying insults were seen as being vaguely acceptable (if rationalised as banter).....why should they stay and be insulted? There were other less hidebound places to go and chat.........All that occurs on here is just a reflection of the wider sport. There are still some with inclusive attitudes hanging on in there because they love sitting in boats on the water but they are getting fewer and fewer. I suspect the RYA realise what the problem is with falling membership but they haven't got a clue how to change it. How to make an organisation more inclusive without destroying everything the remaining diehards hold so dear?

I don't believe they can do it until the wider environment becomes less frightened and more inclusive........
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I can only speak for the clubs I have had experience of, I am not going to generalise about clubs I know nothing about. The clubs I do know, all would welcome new members of any race or level of experience, the problem is finding new members. I have never heard from other people I know, who are members of clubs I have no knowledge of, that they discriminate against certain types of people, whether that is a matter of class or race, does anyone know of clubs that actively or covertly discriminate?

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It's illegal to actively discriminate and you cannot legislate against thought.  

zero, have you ever noticed cliques forming at the club?  Sub groups? Imagine being permanently on the outside of all of them.
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I am thinking more along the lines of RYA positive discrimination documents, seems like a solution looking for a problem.
I have a group of friends, other members have their group of friends, we all work together for the club, can't see issues with that, their are members I dislike, got no intention of discriminating against them.
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You may not be discouraging anyone but are you actively encouraging them? To sit in your club wondering why no one joins is not a great strategy. Positively seeking new membership might require doing something. Not many non-white sailors in the adverts on the right hand side of this page for example.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sussex Lad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 21 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by 423zero

I am thinking more along the lines of RYA positive discrimination documents, seems like a solution looking for a problem.
I have a group of friends, other members have their group of friends, we all work together for the club, can't see issues with that, their are members I dislike, got no intention of discriminating against them.


If you like some folk less and choose not to have them as friends you are by definition discriminating and it will almost certainly effect your behaviour towards them. We all do it.

We all discriminate and we all belong to one clique or another.

If we do it because of behaviour then this isn't really anyone else's business. If we do it to somebody because of an attribute that they can't be reasonably expected to change then it becomes a problem.

There are lots of organisations that now have processes in place to satisfy the law or to qualify for a badge. 








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Peaky, I am not going to attempt to justify my clubs efforts regarding Attracting new members, because clearly having not attracted any is proof it was no good, you have criticised us, presumably your clubs efforts have worked, could you let me know, I will then pass it on to my club.
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad

Exclusivity is a growing trend in the wider world ATM. The sport of sailing is just following that trend within it's own boundaries and in it's own way. This forum was vastly more tollerant 15 years ago with a vastly more inclusive feel. Sadly, various sub groups that were minorities within the forum got picked on or ignored. Bigoted views and bullying insults were seen as being vaguely acceptable (if rationalised as banter).....why should they stay and be insulted? There were other less hidebound places to go and chat.........All that occurs on here is just a reflection of the wider sport. There are still some with inclusive attitudes hanging on in there because they love sitting in boats on the water but they are getting fewer and fewer. I suspect the RYA realise what the problem is with falling membership but they haven't got a clue how to change it. How to make an organisation more inclusive without destroying everything the remaining diehards hold so dear?

I don't believe they can do it until the wider environment becomes less frightened and more inclusive........

Totally agree with all of the above . 
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad

It's illegal to actively discriminate and you cannot legislate against thought.  

zero, have you ever noticed cliques forming at the club?  Sub groups? Imagine being permanently on the outside of all of them.

exactly 


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