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    Posted: 21 Nov 20 at 10:52am
Sorry but all these points have been already answered many many times in many many threads on here and by the RYA themselves.Google is your friend. If not ask the man in charge of the system at the RYA to come and do a talk on at at your club once COVID is over . GRF invited him to his club a few years ago and the system was explained to him in great detail.

The problem is, as has already been mentioned, that the answers don’t fit the narrative put forward by the fin foil wearers . 
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I don’t know how Rupert found the link he posted on the previous page but it isn’t under RYA/Racing/PY which is where you might expect to find an explanation of how the scheme works.  There’s little point the RYA only posting explanations on here but not their own site.  As to the rest, it isn’t tin hat territory to ask for a little more transparency and a little less fidelity.  Just friendly constructive suggestions.  
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

. GRF invited him to his club a few years ago and the system was explained to him in great detail.

He did indeed and the said man promised there was going to be a significant announcement at the following years dinghy show about an upgrade that was going to address all the points made.

No such announcement was forthcoming

Further to the visit we at Hythe have submitted returns, indeed eventually some years later 'confidence' was forthcoming, the result? The Lasers should get slower and the Contenders faster, which effectively means everyone else could go screw themselves, it's the very lie the system is built on. It is not fair to all, it is fair only to the big numbers.

Without a gounding about which to pivot, the data just starts to feed off itself, I wonder if they even understand what it is they've built it's so out of control imv.

I wish they'd let someone like Peaky have a look, he's got the right sort of brain for this sort of thing.

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A2Z the only thing I can suggest is to contact the RYA directly. That’s what I did a couple of years ago and they were more than happy to explain the system in detail.
TBH It’s a much better idea than posting on here. The few of us that are still on  here have heard it so often that we are all polarised into two camps.
Tin foil or non tin foil hat wearers  LOL
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....ah well, 'twas fun for a while Wink

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There's no problem with thoughtful discussions regarding anything, problem is when posters not only infer fiddling but actually state it's happening.
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Originally posted by 423zero

There's no problem with thoughtful discussions regarding anything, problem is when posters not only infer fiddling but actually state it's happening.

Spot on, other than the fiddler sails a boat and wants to do better I can’t see any motivation for fiddling. 


Obviously there are many illegal returns being made and we need a recount, I won, fake news 
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Originally posted by 423zero

There's no problem with thoughtful discussions regarding anything, problem is when posters not only infer fiddling but actually state it's happening.


I guess you're refering to IGRF's post of earlier in the thread. If you are then it might be more constructive to call that post and IGRF (or anyone else) out specifically as and when you think he's being unhelpful. Don't use inference  and innuendo to point it out.

.....and Grumpy cat don't use your disapproval of one post to try and control and shut down a discussion that scares you by using ridicule and scorn.......if you think the discussion is pointless then don't participate. By the way I'm guessing you sail on a pond or lake?

The world is now changing at an alarming rate and the conservatism in the sport is holding it back. The fear of new ideas, new ways of doing things and an aversion to people saying "what if? is not doing the sport any favours right now. "The status quo"  "it's how it's been done for 70 yrs"........  surely this forum deserves better than that"
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Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 20 at 8:43pm
I was referring to the suggestion that we shouldn't be discussing issues on here, not just this particular thread, I have no problem with disagreement, nothing to be gained by targeting a particular poster either,I prefer to 'try' reasonable alternatives and post links to alternative views.
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To call me out or get me to remove the tinfoil, you have to provide proof that the points I made are not fact.

1) No transparency
2) Delberate destruction of embryonic classes.
3) Favoritiism to others.
4) Give me a list of the committee members (Oh and the classes they represent of course.)

Simples, not much to ask in 2021 when under the freedom of information act I can get much more important Government information..

Edited by iGRF - 21 Nov 20 at 9:47pm
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