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    Posted: 19 Apr 17 at 3:57pm
Its funny i swear that's what i said.......oh hang on, if you keep the rest of the paragraph in......
 "the unfortunate fact regarding the laser sail is that it is made in warehouses with cheap labour. Buying a replica is supporting no one really but large industrial sailmakers and forcing smaller sailmakers to cut their profits to compete against huge multinational sailmakers."
my point being buying a replica or laser sail is no good for anyone selling them claiming to be a uk loft.
no one wants to pay more than the boat is worth on sails, buy a £400 laser and buy a chinese sail, you may ask a 'local' sailmaker who due to labour etc turns out to be closer to the laser standard than the cheaper cloth and much cheaper labour.
Laser now use a better dacron, so you are now buying a better cloth than 90% of replicas.
When it comes down to it, how long do you think it takes to make a laser sail? one sailmaker from scratch with nothing premade? an hour? two? half a day? a whole day? two days? Ok in china they will have pre made batten pockets, luff socks, patches, they still take time to manufacture before a finished product.
So how much for a day rate for skilled (ok semi skilled) labour? then add in intellectual property rights. Yes we all know we can design and make better than laser - but we haven't and can't because it has nailed the market. 
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Kayospruce will sell you some Challenge Dacron for £20 a metre inc VAT, so about £200 for a replica seems reasonable.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Retail in the US&A is just over $600.
Take off about 10% sales tax, divide by 1.25 ish for exchange, add 20% VAT, that gives you about the number Laser first thought of.

It's the same company  - so they've probably put the prices up in the US as well at the same time.  
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Originally posted by fudheid

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Laser now use a better dacron, so you are now buying a better cloth than 90% of replicas.


Not the radial, only the Mk2 standard.  Nobody has complained about paying more money for a better standard sail.
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Rooster Laser Radial Sail:- £185

MSB Laser Radial Sail:- £165

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Originally posted by fudheid

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Laser now use a better dacron, so you are now buying a better cloth than 90% of replicas.


Not the radial, only the Mk2 standard.  Nobody has complained about paying more money for a better standard sail.

yes i agree  with you as the OP stated the radial rig hike is a bit rude!
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Kayospruce will sell you some Challenge Dacron for £20 a metre inc VAT, so about £200 for a replica seems reasonable.

sail area 7sqm for a laser 1? so what is that in pure cloth then? at £20m and what 7m of cloth? thats £140 before laser cutting (think they are pretty expensive) say £30 - 40 for a laser cutter to do their thing so we are at £170inc....then a bit of stitching.......who does that ? immigrants they earn less is that right? even at £5/hr i reckon on more than 3 hours to complete £185inc. ( clew, tack and head reinforcing to make up, batten pockets, luff sock, cringles in the corners, battens to cut and check, and a sail bag to boot). so battens and fittings what another £5? sailbag - i guess they go and pick one from a tree? £5? £195inc. Someone is making £5 whole pounds profit and i know it isn't the sailmaker or the designer of the laser sail.
So for £200 what are you supporting?
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Even a small sailmaker won't be paying retail for his cloth, and it's a lot wider than a metre.
You'd have to sell a fair few at £200 to pay the bills though.

I guess the top Laser sailors will also be wanting a composite topmast this year?
Anyone seen one yet?
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Was going to comment.....

But then realised what's the point only a small uk sailmaker.
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Originally posted by Neal_g

Was going to comment.....


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