New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Silver Dream racer article
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Silver Dream racer article
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 56789>
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Chris415700 View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 20 Oct 10
Location: East Midlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 62 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris415700 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Silver Dream racer article
    Posted: 04 Apr 16 at 9:21pm
What you need is some kind of ratchet on the trolley wheels so that when going up hill you can move the trolley handle from side to side and the boat goes forwards.

Edited by Chris415700 - 04 Apr 16 at 9:23pm
Back to Top
maxibuddah View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 09
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1760 		Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Apr 16 at 10:15pm
or do what happened at our club. A member loaned his motability scooter to pull boats up the slipway. Didn't last too long. I bet more people pulled their own boats up then
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
Back to Top
423zero View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 08 Jan 15
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Apr 16 at 10:24pm
Hitch Drive Caravan Mover - eBay
Back to Top
MerlinMags View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 19 Mar 04
Location: UK, Guildford
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 588 		Post Options Post Options   Quote MerlinMags Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Apr 16 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by lionel rigby

Almost 30 years ago I was introduced to a
Tasar and found from the off that it was an almost ideal dinghy for my son and
myself to sail in our environment...... to me has one
Achilles heal; it will turtle within a few seconds of capsizing...


I'm late to this thread, but wanted to point out the Tasar was deliberately designed to turtle, like many Aussie boats are (or so I was told).

Anyway, to talk of hull weight again, I agree that mass has a useful function when afloat (and low down - not in a mast!), but never ashore. It is a sad irony that the only time you have to pull your boat UP a slope is when you are at your most exhausted already.

Instead of spending effort hoping computers can make our lives easier, I think a return to good old fashioned mechanisation is called for. A motorised winch at every club slipway I say! Plus brakes and/or caterpillar tracks on any trolley that needs them.

[Disclaimer: I'm only 40 but I'm thinking ahead to when I'm too weak to lug my ancient wooden craft around.]
Back to Top
Cirrus View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 29 Oct 15
Location: UK
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 590 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 16 at 10:02am
The Tasar is well known for inverting .... far far to quickly in the opinion of many of us.  Inverting is no bad thing of course but Bethwaite over-egged this safety justification.   He had no choice and tried to make a virtue of it .... The hull is very light but the 2 piece rotating alloy mast is desperately heavy in relative terms with lots and lots of places for water to simply pour in.  Coupled to a lot of hull volume in the sides, in short, it inverts too readily imo.

On one occasion my then young son got his lifejacket caught up in the diamond rigging on the side of the mast as it rapidly inverted taking him down - and holding him under the surface.  A parents nightmare of course and one heck of an inducement to get the boat back on its side asap .... he was far less 'phased' than me and very fortunately it did not put him off for life. 

It is however still a great boat .. but I'd argue that over the decades since it was first produced should have been given a revised mast... and ideally one that retained a bit more buoyancy for a bit longer.  A totally sealed one-piece alloy mast would have still allow the Tasar to invert .. just not as instantly..... and it would very probably have been far less expensive.  The NS's after all used a much much lighter one-piece alloy and then later still one piece carbon stick.  I've used them and and they are simply better all round.
Back to Top
iiiiticki View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 06 Mar 16
Location: Derbyshire
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 206 		Post Options Post Options   Quote iiiiticki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 16 at 10:36am
I can endorse the Tasar's enthusiasim for inverting....that cost us two topmasts over a couple of years!
Back to Top
Chris 249 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2041 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 16 at 12:59pm
You're normally using simple plastic bushes on the trolley wheels like us, aren't you?

Some cat guys have stainless steel bearings on big balloon tires. If I recall correctly, it was easier to pull a 185kg F18 cat with those wheels up the beach than it was to pull a 75kg F16 hull up the same beach with "normal" bearings on fat plastic wheels.  If that's true (and it's just a memory so it may not be) then maybe such systems or powered systems could be a good avenue.

I don't know about other places, but down here trolley design and use seems to vary a lot from class to class - it seems to be a product of culture as much as one of logic.
Back to Top
Chris 249 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2041 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 16 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by Cirrus

The Tasar is well known for inverting .... far far to quickly in the opinion of many of us.  Inverting is no bad thing of course but Bethwaite over-egged this safety justification.  


Frank once (or twice) said that he designed the Tasar to invert because three Mothies were lost when their boats blew away from them on Port Phillip Bay in the '60s.  The odd thing is that I have gone through every copy of every Australian boating mag for that period and such a disaster (which would have been the biggest loss of life in dinghy racing in Oz for 80 years) was never reported or even hinted at.
Back to Top
Buzz View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 14 Jun 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 101 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Buzz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 16 at 1:14pm
I've seen a ride on mower with cutting deck removed and tow bar bolted to the back used for towing boats up a slip.
Back to Top
SUGmeister View Drop Down
Sailwave Moderators
Sailwave Moderators
Avatar

Joined: 08 Jun 07
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 265 		Post Options Post Options   Quote SUGmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 16 at 4:06pm
A simple electric capstan mounted at the top of the slip could help pull boats up slips, infact I'm pretty certain i've seen these being used to pull up heavier boats (RIBs etc)
Simon SUGmeister
I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 56789>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy