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    Posted: 10 May 23 at 7:52pm
Cannot see the song and dance about the original post.
If the windward boat has an overlap how can they not have rights?
Using the rules yes of course it is sporting and fine in a single race, although I do get a bit ticked off by people who luff you purely for the sake of it but rules is rules and that's what I signed up for.
There has been some legal but questionable ethics in the past over a series were faster boats in top placings have sacrificed a race to sail a slower boat down the order. But then again if it's legal and those concerned can resolve it................
Edit Add. The rules I think do work more fairly, my word, in class racing. In a diverse handicap fleet things can sometimes become a little more questionable as regards to what some might see as good manners.


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Originally posted by Do Different

.....I do get a bit ticked off by people who luff you .......questionable as regards to what some might see as good manners.


You sit on someone's wind, then whine when they legitimately luff you?
You could always try overtaking to leeward, or far enough away not to affect the other boat.
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Whoa there eric steady.    Not what I said at all; you've connected two separate points.   Two boats the same class, I'm not whining or sitting ahead on somebody's wind, all I'm saying is nobody wins in luffing apart the boats clear ahead getting away and those behind.   As regards good manners ; if passing a slower boat in a handicap fleet I always go below or well clear above.
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Use of rules is clearly a personal approach, I wouldn't join a club with lots of rule book sailors. I prefer a more relaxed club, plus, I go out of my way to avoid on the water issues.


If the first point of the boat to cross the line gives you the win, say the end of the bow sprit, then boat hull touches the mark, is it a rule infringement?
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One of the advantages of having a number of dinghy sailors well versed in the rules is that I find that their dinghy course and actions are far more predictable than someone who doesn't know as much.
Obviously, anyone not completely au fait with the rules is still welcome, but we need to keep more attention on them.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Use of rules is clearly a personal approach, I wouldn't join a club with lots of rule book sailors. I prefer a more relaxed club, plus, I go out of my way to avoid on the water issues.


If the first point of the boat to cross the line gives you the win, say the end of the bow sprit, then boat hull touches the mark, is it a rule infringement?

You finish when the first part of the hull crosses the line not bow sprit or any other part (this changed in the last RRS update) but you are still racing until you have cleared the line so, yes, it is a rule infringement.


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Got it, just reread your post on page 5, was confused by a post stating any fixed part of the boat.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Use of rules is clearly a personal approach, I wouldn't join a club with lots of rule book sailors.

I don't think there are any clubs with "rule book" sailors ... but there are a lot of sailors who seems to have no idea of the rules. I suspect these people create more chaos on the water than those that are perceived to be rule bashers ... then they just moan that others are rule bashers where as actually the main issue is their ignorance.
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Completely agree regarding observing rules and taking rights for the avoidance of misunderstandings in tight situations.
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Originally posted by Old Timer

Originally posted by 423zero

Use of rules is clearly a personal approach, I wouldn't join a club with lots of rule book sailors.

I don't think there are any clubs with "rule book" sailors ... but there are a lot of sailors who seems to have no idea of the rules. I suspect these people create more chaos on the water than those that are perceived to be rule bashers ... then they just moan that others are rule bashers where as actually the main issue is their ignorance.

That’s been my experience too. 
It’s a lot less stressful and a lot easier to race with people that have grasped the basic rules . As you can concentrate more on tactics and boat speed .
( But it’s still most important not to ever be ‘ shouty ‘ to new or inexperienced sailors and to help them understand the rules ) 
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