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    Posted: 01 Dec 22 at 12:21pm
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Originally posted by 423zero

Title thread now changed to by jrb 12, could almost be April 1st CYHT aka Jim hacker, yes prime minister, could be something by iGRF.


Sorry I don’t know what you mean. I started the thread and no one has changed that.
This is not a send up. I came on here to gauge if anywhere else was so bad.

I can only speak for 4 clubs I’ve been a member of and none of them have been run on these lines.
Tbh in my thirty -five years of sailing I’ve never even heard of anyone being ‘ disciplined ‘ never mind being thrown out of a sailing club. 
What are other peoples experiences ? 


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Was a member of a yacht club in the eighties where drinking was of an Olympic standard, no women members either, not even in the bar, can remember drinking until 4am from 9am the previous day and being driven home by someone in the same state, this was a regular occurrence. One Saturday afternoon when racing had been cancelled due to a storm, two yachts raced from club to a town down the coast and back, one was knocked flat, both boats crewed by very inebriated crews. No one was ever disciplined there though. Club was run on drink and training adults and children would have been done with drinking trainers. I am not endorsing any of the drinking or men only culture then, it was a different time and I was very young. 
Edited to add, The club is nothing like that now.


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I think many who participated in the dinghy racing drinking culture of the 70s and 80s are still sailing and drinking … or are no longer with us.  as 423zero says, not to be condoned in present times.  Though pales into insignificance when compared with Rugby extra curricular activities.
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Yes, those were different days. But in some cases it’s
Still happening in sailing. Having seen a number of examples of drinking
Heavily the night before, or a pint before a race or even the duty officer with
A can in hand you have to wonder where the common sense and responsibility
Is. One comment at a championship event after a heavy night of drinking, ‘does anyone
Race sober?’ And where is the “long arm” of the governing body when they have this evidence
And tell the complainant to ask for an EGM.



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I really don’t know where your going with this . I don’t see a connection  between your original allegations of club misconduct/ coverups/ bullying etc  and the fact a competitor in a race is sailing with a hangover or a race officer has a glass of wine between races ( neither of which break any law or regulation. ) .
Given this fact and the fact you also refuse to name the club or even go into the slightest detail about the alleged misconduct/conspiracy, I am starting to feel some sympathy for this club and it’s committee. 



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Never seen anyone at a sailing club walking about with a can of beer that is shocking.
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This beer was actually out on the water on a yacht doing the OD. 2 of them and proudly in social media pictures of their beers.

The problem with organisations like this is they rely on bullying to silence the voices.
Intimidation, recrimination, controlling the committee all serve to make the weak follow, the indifferent shut their eyes, and the protesters get a punishment or walking away. This is why there’s been so many disciplinaries. What started as some minor complaints snowballed into a tighter grip and control by these people in anyway they could. So for example the beer drinker complained about a post in a private FB group that they claimed was about their family members and that it was offensive to them and bullying. But in reality an light hearted poke at the way these people operate. The “defendant” eventually got a year ban from the club after a long disciplinary process where the disciplinary rules weren’t followed properly. Yet you have the same person as a training official drinking against race, training rules. And it gets whitewashed and the some one else gets kicked out for questioning all of this with the governing body.
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Originally posted by Dakota


I really don’t know where your going with this . I don’t see a connection  between your original allegations of club misconduct/ coverups/ bullying etc  and the fact a competitor in a race is sailing with a hangover or a race officer has a glass of wine between races ( neither of which break any law or regulation. ) .
Given this fact and the fact you also refuse to name the club or even go into the slightest detail about the alleged misconduct/conspiracy, I am starting to feel some sympathy for this club and it’s committee. 



I think you will find that drinking is against the rules for those conducting/ participating in training, racing and race officials. It’s all there in the rules. If you think drinking whilst on duty or between races as a race official is okay, then I’m afraid that attitude is just part of the problem. What sort of example does that set? As I’ve outlined the issue was about a training session where the allegation was that the lead individual had been drinking prior to the session. This was whitewashed. On top of that there is evidence of a widespread drinking associated with racing. It would be interesting to see a breath test the morning after. You can’t say if they were fit or not, but why drink to that state? It brings the sport into thorough disrepute. Watersports and drinking don’t go together.


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Realistically I think you need to find a club that's better aligned with your philosophies. I'm not sure the amount of cultural change required is achievable even in the medium term at any typical amateur club.
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Jrb 12, you have the patience of a saint to still be there after twenty years, I would have gone years ago.
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