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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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It's entirely a rationalisation, not to justify, but to accept 'racism' as another term to describe human group interaction. A group identity doesn't necessarily have to be scared per se, but when they start to consider their superiority over others, then the probems start. Catholics over Protestants, Sunni v Shia Muslims, West Ham suporters v Millwall, PYAG group v any group that isn't Laser.. ![]() |
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NicolaJayne ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 01 Mar 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 109 |
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exactly, although it seems some people want their particular sport /. hobby/ pastime to remain solely for 'people like them ' ( Pale , Male, Stale )
first two of those characteristics they can;t do much about , but the staleness is 100 % a choice |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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In some agreement with iGRF on this.
Understanding something is nothing like justifying something but it is a step towards countering.
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NicolaJayne ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 01 Mar 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 109 |
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exactly !
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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All I'm saying is tribalism or group identity to sound more cuddly has a corrosive side.
Little or much we see it here quite often. There was a bloke who always signed off something like "the only real racing is Merlins or Solos" how often do we see "Losers" for Lasers? "PY racing is for noddy classes" I've experienced it at my club where a quite classic racing class is popular, I sail a class of very similar spec but with much smaller numbers, "Ah, when you get a proper boat". I like what I like and simply get on but interestingly they are still very happy for me to OOD / RO when we host their travellers.
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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I was using the word rationalisation in it's true sense.
If I can give my brief and potted take on prejudice, I have a bit of time: Humans have the ability to learn dogma. It's a mostly useful ability and is sometimes called rote learning. A good example would be the times tables which we can quote without thinking and with absolute certainty, learnt from repetition and reinforced with encouragement from teachers. Another form of rote learning would be "don't cross the road without looking and listening", it gets repeated endlessly when we are kids until it finally sticks and becomes an automatic response. In this last example we have learned to pre judge roads as dangerous places, we have applied prejudice and possibly saved our lives. These are constructive examples of how humans save time in critical situations, how to make split second decisions with instant automatic responses. All very useful and it serves the human race well in most instances. The problem arises when we are fed dogma that isn't useful and we then apply prejudice destructively. This is learnt behaviour and therefore can be unlearnt given a bit of thought and willingness. Here's the bit that can F**k the willingness to unlearn up: Humans also have a need to "belong". We are much better able to survive and thrive in a group. Evolution has imposed this need. Groups are likely to have more skills than an individual. There is a need for harmony in these groups otherwise they can become dangerous (ones own sensitivity to fear may make us more or less social) Humans have developed a whole range of unspoken rules and abilities to get along, one of these abilities can be called Confluence (in some circles), it's mostly an unconscious response, the need to go with the flow, we will adopt common attitudes and behaviour in order to maintain harmony. Better still we will seek out groups that have attitudes that mirror our own. We will be inclined to defend the group also. Whether these attitudes are constructive or destructive is up for debate? Most of this stuff goes on beneath the radar, is unconscious and can be called institutionalised. In brief: Pre judging is mostly constructive but quite often isn't. It's learned and can be unlearnt. The very powerful human need to belong may bugger up and override the desire to un-learn. There's loads of stuff missing above. woke? ![]() |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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OK , now I can start to press the 'taking offence' button. I've yet to meet anyone in my particular sports that act in that way, and that includes all the dinghy sailors I come into contact with. Frankly that expression 'Pale Male Stale is just as offensive as any other term that would be considered and whined at as 'racist' by hand wringers and I certainly take exception to its use at my fellow sportsmen. Nobody can help the shade of their skin save for risking skin cancer in the summer, no one can really alter their gender,not without surgery and a particular mindset, and stale? well maybe if you sail a Solo, but then nobody I know still does. ![]() So, in the words of the prophet Isaiah, you can do one, with that expression thanks just the same. Edited by iGRF - 31 Mar 21 at 7:20pm |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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I don't get it anyway (pale,male, stale), glad I don't really, sounds disgusting to be honest.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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"People like them", also works in reverse if we want it to. If we use examples of the diverse nature of those who sail already, whether that be gender, skin colour or disability in our publicity, people start to think that maybe the sport has something to offer "them".
Nicola Jayne, I'd not come across that phrase before. I'm pale and male, and fighting against stale, though it's hard. |
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Snowflake. |
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