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yellowwelly 
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 Topic: Curtains for Assymetrics?Posted: 18 Sep 13 at 1:28pm |
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au contraire... I couldn't be arsed to move fast enough upwind off a rack in lull / shift. Same with the 600. Nothing to do with Asymmetrics. But this thread isn't about my appalling trapezing skills ;-)
I do agree with you though, where there is enough space there are asymmetric dinghies with enough power to make it work... but then there is also the Moth, and that is eating up high performance sailors from the diminishing pool. It's offering better performance, and some argue, more tactical racing. I wonder how long the MPS, great though it is, will continue to play second fiddle to the Moth, or another SMOD capitalising on efficiency rather than power as exemplified by the current crop of asymmetric singlehanders? Hopefully the old girl's got some life in her yet, but I'm beginning to think there was a good reason why its entire conception was still-born and we've never had the reality of the 'Olympic Skiff Project' materialise at the top of the game. Edited by yellowwelly - 18 Sep 13 at 2:01pm |
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ajbaldwin
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Posted: 18 Sep 13 at 3:12pm |
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I think the size of your puddle makes a big difference at Yorkshire Dales SC where we have enough space for fast asymmetric boats we have plenty that race. If you take the Lasers out of the equation then the vast majority of boats that you see out are asymmetric and I think the numbers are growing. |
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RS400atC
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Posted: 18 Sep 13 at 3:38pm |
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Apart from Merlins, the vast majority of new 2 handers I've seen this year are Asy's.
Fair number of Rs100 and D-one as well. I don't think foils will catch on in a big way any time soon, in the same way that cats took ages to become mainstream, and boards have gone back to being a niche or a separate sport rather than a 'threat to dinghies'. Having said that, I suspect an accessible foiler would have a market, perhaps for long distance races? Nab Tower, EC Piers, Texel etc? I think it will mostly be cats.
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Rupert
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Posted: 18 Sep 13 at 4:06pm |
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Foils and cats make sense to me - fast take off speed, stable platform, sails already designed for high speeds - whats not to like?
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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L123456
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Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 10:50am |
I think the "emergence of the Icon" is only significant on this forum, how many boats are there sailing world wide??? It looks a nice boat but I don't think it has made much impact on the sport ... yet ... As for assy kites ... well I believe they have been around for 100s of years and will probably continue to do so ... There were many classes that jumped on the assy bandwagon that were duds and those are now in decline or dead ... ISO, Boss, 4000, 5000, 700 but others are still going well. The nationals attendance table is a very raw metric; especially for international classes or classes that have a road trip to Garda/Como in that year. If you have a boat that is very fast like a Moth or an A class then they don't need kites but for moderately fast planing boats a kite will always improve performance and provide entertainment.
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blaze720
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Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 2:56pm |
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I think the "emergence of the Icon" is only significant on this forum, how many boats are there sailing world wide???
Got to agree with you as numbers are still only in the high teens !! (However we now have Icons in Germany, Ireland, Netherlands and soon apparently in Spain) but we have a very long way to go as you imply ! Still at the seeding stage ... BUT in the spirit of this forum I cannot in turn resist enquiring just how many Laserists from 10 or 20 years ago are still joined at the hip to the old 'knee wrecker' ? Looks like just a few yoofs and the last of the baby boomers left there these days ! ... Allright calm down I'm only teasing ! Mike L. |
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RS400atC
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Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 4:16pm |
I think there are more 'laserists from 10 or 20 years ago' sailing lasers in our muddy creek than Icons in the whole of England. Although they are slowly defecting to Solos. There is something in what you say, people between 25 and 45, having realised they are not World Class Laser Sailors, generally want to try some of the dozens of other options, 2 handers, kites, trapezes or whatever. People who wind down their dinghy sailing having 'been there, done that' often seem to 'just get a laser for a bit of club sailing'. Even if they also have a RIB or a yacht to use with their family. Or they sail their kid's laser when the wife refuses to crew for them.....
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kurio99
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Posted: 30 Sep 13 at 9:26am |
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I for one, love my kite. My boat is similar to the RS100. Without the kite, the boat is as boring as ditch water. The polars are really extreme. In around 135 degrees, the boat takes off. Around the cans, the boat is crud since my VMG is not good enough to match the slow plodder going straight downwind. I'm always dead last in any mixed race. Even so, there were a couple of races in light wind where I was hanging way off the side trying to hold her flat as she was planing. I have the only asym in the club, so I get more than a few surprised comments from members seeing me flying on those types of days. Given the choice, I'd rather be dead last and fast, versus first and plodding.
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winging it
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Posted: 30 Sep 13 at 9:41am |
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what is the boat? pictures?
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the same, but different...
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 30 Sep 13 at 9:50am |
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given location, I'm guessing CL Stealth....
 It's more 'laser like' than the D1 and RS100 from layman appearance, definitely wouldn't have the righting moment needed to make it work 'properly' (1.72m) and as I understand it, could well be out of production these days despite the website still being live. More here: Edited by yellowwelly - 30 Sep 13 at 9:52am |
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