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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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A boat is generally not required to leave the end of a finishing line to a particular side. It is specifically stated that once any part of the boat has crossed the line, a yacht is not required to fully cross the line after finishing. There is no way in plain English you can say a generic end of a finish line must be left on a particular side, unless the SIs require that. If the ends of a finish line were automatically 'marks' then the definition of 'mark' would not need to add the clause of a committee boat. If the end of a finsih line is a 'mark' then the definition of 'sailing the course would contradict the right to not fully cross the finish line. The rules are what the rules actually say, not any 'you know what they meant to say' /'spirit of the rules' mumbo jumbo.
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Maybe that's because references to definitions in the RRS are printed in italics. Introduction Terminology A term used in the sense stated in the Definitions is printed in italics Every reference to 'finishing mark' in the RRS has 'mark' italicised. Of course boats are required to leave finishing marks designating the port and starboard on those respective sides in order to finish and comply with rule 28.
If it's big enough, it's an obstruction, but, being a mark, unless it's a continuing obstruction, rule 18 and not rule 19 will apply. See rule 18.1(d). Edited by Brass - 09 May 23 at 8:32pm |
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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A race committe vessel which is one end of the finish line is within the definition of 'Mark' in bold. Mark An object the sailing instructions require a boat to leave on a specified side, a race committee vessel surrounded by navigable water from which the starting or finishing line extends, and an object intentionally attached to the object or vessel. However, an anchor line is not part of the mark. You should have done your turn and re-crossed the line from the course side, then you would have finished.
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Dakota ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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I do agree . Not that knowledge of the rules should ever used used to bully new or inexperienced sailors . At my tiny puddle we all have a reasonable knowledge of the rules because its so small if we didn’t, it would be utter carnage. ![]() After all if you don’t know the basic rules how do you know when someone has infringed you or if you have infringed someone else ?
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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What do you expect to happen if there's a third boat? Am I entitled to alter course 'to be nice to someone' and in doing so disadvantage someone else?
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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I would have no respect for racers who deliberately aim to use the rules to force a win, if you are that keen aim for the middle and win on skill, not a barristers grasp of the rules.
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Old bloke ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 121 |
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Ref 423zeros post. I have to disagree with that, even amongst friendly mates racing awareness of the rules, your "rights" (Brass will disagree with rights but I couldn't think of a better word) and otherwise are very much part of the game. Anything else is just a cruise in company
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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A yacht is not required to leave a finishing 'mark' to a particular side, so how does R18 apply? Its not a Mark, in bold, as per the definitions. Is an object which defines the end of a finishing line actually an obstruction (if it's big enough!) so R19 applies?
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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You broke rule 31 Touching a Mark. You took a One Turn Penalty for breaking rule 31 which was the applicable penalty under rule 44.2. You took your penalty after you had crossed the finishing line, so that crossing of the finishing line didn't count as your finish. Definitions:Finish Finish A boat finishes when, after starting, any part of her hull crosses the finishing line from the course side. However, she has not finished if after crossing the finishing line she (a) takes a penalty under rule 44.2 So strictly speaking you needed to get back on the course side and cross the finishing line again to finish. Irrelevant whether you touched the RCV just before or just after your bow crossed the line, you're still racing until you have cleared the finishing mark, and if you hit it you can't have cleared it. |
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