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423zero 
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 Topic: Olympic Funding articlePosted: 13 Aug 18 at 12:16pm |
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SUP is definitely increasing, saw loads last week off Aberdovey, Tywyn, Barmouth and Black rock sands, didn't see one last year
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DiscoBall
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Posted: 13 Aug 18 at 5:56pm |
Indeed, I think some other countries (Spain comes to mind) have this model. Integration is probably quite a difficult issue. The canoe club I'm a member of is part of a watersports association including rowing, dragonboat and dive clubs all sharing the same premises. It would be an understatement to say they don't play well together... That said, perhaps sailing clubs are a little more open minded? It certainly looks as if over the long term integration of kayaking and SUP into sailing clubs could cut the rug out from under the feet of canoe clubs. Back to the original article - it could be viewed that the large size of the sailing team is not so much down to the profligacy of the governing body, but just a simple function of the excessive number of events allowed for what is a minority sport. The general public probably can't tell a Finn from a 49er and don't really care. The 'it must represent all aspects of our sport' is only of interest to a small number of people who are already sailors.
Better to promote 2-3 classes well rather than 10 at the present level of mediocrity. Killing two birds with one stone - cheaper national teams and a cheaper olympic regatta (that could also go to more venues, maybe ones that actually have some wind...).  |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 13 Aug 18 at 7:48pm |
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Interesting news in Portugal if you follow SUP politics - which I don’t btw! Basically canoeing governing body told they can’t hold a SUP worlds, only the surfing body can.
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fab100
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Posted: 13 Aug 18 at 9:42pm |
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I’m all for integrating SUPs and sailing. Using them as skittles can only add to the joy of sailing
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423zero
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Posted: 13 Aug 18 at 9:48pm |
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Who is in charge of SUP that they can dictate ? The whole SUP discipline falls into both surfing and kayaking. |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 13 Aug 18 at 10:12pm |
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I'm aware of way too many clubs that have been taken over to be anything but wary of allowing SUPs and SOTs in, at least without constitutional changes to ensure that control remains in the hands of the sailors.
I've been in a club where rowers used the clubhouse, and one where dozens of dragon boaters were members of the larger club that ended up owning the clubhouse. No one ever moved across from rowing or paddling to sailing, as far as I know. If you look at the history of US dinghy sailing, you see many clubs that opened to door to non-sailing members, and which have now basically stopped sailing. After all, if the number of non-sailing members is large enough to be worthwhile, won't they form a voting bloc that demands significant concessions? We've had situations here where people complained that they would be "second class members" if a club simply tried to promote one designs - wouldn't the same complain be raised by the SOTters and SUPpers, and as members wouldn't their demands have to be met? I've sailed at one UK sailing/canoe club. but apparently they were basically two clubs anyway, so what was the gain?
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DiscoBall
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Posted: 14 Aug 18 at 1:08am |
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You're probably right Chris, in terms of sharing with or inviting in others who are well established in their sports, and therefore just as tribal as any longtime class association member. Dragonboaters are weird anyway...
The negative characterisation of people doing the new watersports is that they aren't committed to one thing and that that is some sort of moral failing. But it also means they are likely to be open to trying something new, and having them on site means a better chance that is sailing. It's got to be better odds than the single open day a year that most clubs do, sailing is something you need repeated exposure to. Edited by DiscoBall - 14 Aug 18 at 1:09am |
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423zero
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Posted: 14 Aug 18 at 6:21am |
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We share our building with a Life guard club, Sea kayak club, Tri athlete club, model boat club and open water swimming club, not had a single crossover, only thing we have gained a new outboard from the open water swimmers, they were given one for a safety boat they hadn't got.
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Rupert
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Posted: 14 Aug 18 at 6:56am |
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We allow dinghy owners to own other water craft for those windless days. We also have a kayaking sea cadet group who are hoping to start sailing again soon.
I think we have a rule saying no more than 10 paddle craft on the water at once. Even if loosely policed, it means we stay a sailing club but people can play at other things. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 14 Aug 18 at 8:55am |
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I was chairman of a windsurfing club for many years and we were approached by a model yacht racing club. The arrangement we arrived at was that they would join as social members (so no voting rights) and pay an additional 'model yacht' sub (also with no voting rights) to use the lake at specific times. It works well and generates a modest but useful extra income for the club.
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
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